The True Identity of the Woman in Revelation 12! Part 10

This is now Part 10 of a series of lessons on the True Identity of the Woman in Revelation 12.  While I have said a lot of new things on this subject, there is certainly more that I can say.  If you have not read this series from the beginning I would highly recommend that you start your reading with “Part 1” and go forward from there in order to understand everything that has been taught up to this point.   Today will be more confirming follow up information and some new perspectives on some things that the Spirit of God has taught me about this subject recently.  I have not written about this subject in a long time, but this is the way God works so I always try to go with the flow of the Holy Spirit.  I will probably repeat some things that I have said in other blogs but, I’ll try to give you a new spiritual perspective on what it all means at the same time and how it relates to the woman in Revelation 12.  I have found that no matter how long you teach or study any subject in the Bible, that there is always more to learn.  You just cannot exhaust God’s knowledge on any subject.  Part of today’s lesson will be focused upon the condition of the woman first described to us in verse 2.  Too many Christians have ignore key symbolic elements given to us in this chapter and have concluded that this woman is Israel or Mary because they assume that the child is Jesus.  I believe that I have shown you clearly many scriptural backings that the Bible says that this woman cannot be Israel or Mary.   I also personally believe that most or all of the burden of proof of whether this woman in Revelation 12 can be the church, rests entirely upon God and His Word and not upon me or you.  In other words I’m not just looking for scriptures to confirm my opinion on the identity of the woman in Revelation 12, I’m just looking for the truth no matter what it is, or who it is. 

So if God describes this woman as being pregnant in Rev 12:2, can a spiritual woman called the church become this way?  If the answer is yes, then how is this possible?  This information will clearly tell us something very profound and help to confirm what I have already taught you about the woman; I hope and pray that you can see it also.  I will warn you that part of today’s subject is a very advanced Bible lesson about sex and that is a scary subject to many Christians.  You cannot discuss a pregnancy without discussing sex unless you choose to bury your head in the sand and ignore it.  If you are not a mature Christian and have not agreed with what was taught in the first parts of this series, then I would suggest that you go and read somebody else’s blog today.  If you have read this series of lessons and can clearly see that this woman described to us in Revelation is the church, then please continue reading today’s lesson about spiritual sex.  Here is the first foundational scripture for today’s lesson:

Rev 12:2  And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

We can clearly see from reading Revelation 12:2 that whoever this woman is, the woman is said to be pregnant and about to deliver a child.  If this woman is a symbolic representation of the spiritual reality called the church, then I believe all of the other references found in this chapter describing her are also symbolic spiritual realities, including the child that is delivered later in the chapter.  I have already covered verse 1 in some depth so I will not rehash those symbolic references again today.  However, I have not even touched on verse 2 in this series so I will start here today with asking you the million dollar question that arises from reading this verse.  So how does a spiritual woman get pregnant?  You may not totally understand what a spiritual woman is using God’s definitions found in the Bible so you might need to stop and go and read some of my other Bible lessons to better understand this subject.   Here is a very quick overview of what the Bible describes as a woman to God.  Technically speaking a spiritual woman is always a nation of people in covenant or married to God.  If you do not understand this I wrote other lessons about God’s definition of a woman and marriage in my series on “Understanding the Bride of Christ”.  These days if you are older than 12 years old you pretty much know how a physical woman gets pregnant so I will not discuss that, but we are definitely talking about a spiritual woman in this chapter and that is a totally different situation while at the same time being completely the same.  Here now is a verse that Jesus taught to us in the book of John and you will probably read it at first and not even know why I included it next about a study of how a spiritual woman gets pregnant.

Joh 14:17  Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Jesus taught us something about knowing the truth that is very profound and extremely important to understand.  Wow, this is a difficult verse to see and understand and even more difficult to discuss when you do understand it.  We should start by saying that Jesus called himself the Truth (John 14:6).  Therefore, the Spirit of Truth would be the Spirit of Jesus Christ.  Then the verse has a phrase that says “and (He the Spirit of Truth) shall be in you” and that is the part that I want you to focus on first.  This phrase has sexual connotations attached to it everywhere.  However, the terminology is in the context of a spiritual state or reality, since the word “He” is referring to the Spirit of God, who is a Spirit.  To get a natural woman pregnant you either have to get a sperm cell (seed) in her naturally or artificially as modern science can accomplish with surgical instrumentation and procedures.   I warned you that this was going to be a mature subject, so please be mature and keep spiritual things in focus.    While spiritual sex is not like natural sex, God actually calls them the exact same thing throughout the Bible, but you probably just didn’t know that until now.  Here in this verse of John 14:17 there is a Greek word translated as to “know” and it says the unsaved world doesn’t “know” Him, but that the church does “know” Him.  If you go back to the first mention of sex in the Bible and a woman getting pregnant, you find by the law of first mention some basic Bible truths to the reality of what God wants us to understand about the subject of sexual and spiritual reproduction.  The first mention of sex that I could find in the Bible is between the first created man and woman in Genesis 4:1 and it says this:

Gen 4:1  And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

How does God say Eve conceived a child?  It clearly says Adam “knew” Eve and she conceived a son named Cain.  The Hebrew word translated as “knew” means “to know” or “to ascertain by seeing”.  That is a highly important definition of the word God created for the natural act of sex between the husband and the wife.   So what does it mean and how does it apply to what we read in John?  What we need to do is to take a natural occurrence example and correctly transfer it into a spiritual meaning; otherwise we will be just confused.  To see or to ascertain are both terms that can be transferred to “knowing” or “understanding” a subject mentally.  There is technically a great difference between knowing something and understanding something.  You can certainly know your wife but never totally understand her.  God never said that Adam “understood” Eve and she became pregnant.  So I just went down a brief rabbit trail on the related subject of understanding vs. knowledge.  What you must realize is that it takes a concentrated effort to understand anything or anyone and that this understanding only comes after the initial step of gaining knowledge.  If you do not understand these concepts I would suggest that you go back and read my lesson on “Knowledge, Understanding and Wisdom”. 

In order to prove to you that I’m not making this stuff up, I’m going to teach you a valuable lesson on how to study the Bible correctly.  Because the New Testament is written in Greek originally and the Old Testament is written in Hebrew predominantly; how can you insure that when I use a word from Genesis translated as “knew” that it is the same exact word that is related to “know” in John 14:17?  That is a really good question to consider and I’m going to answer it for you right now.  Too many people just assume they are the same or even different words and jump to conclusions that could be potentially wrong.  So what do we do to solve this problem?  First we find a verse that is in both the Old Testament and the New Testament with the word “Know” in it and then we look to see if they are the same words that we looked at in both Genesis 4:1 and John 14:17.  Do you understand what I am doing?  I am proving that the Greek word in John 14:17 is the exact same Hebrew word translated as Adam “Knew” his wife in Genesis 4:1 in order for you to clearly see that they are related subjects.  So I looked for a verse in the New Testament with the word “know” and determined if it was a quoted verse from the Old Testament.  If we can find a verse in the N.T. that is quoted from the O.T. we can automatically see what Hebrew words are directly related to what Greek words.  However, this is easier said than done; unless you have a NASB translation of the Bible on your computer.  In the NASB translation they put all Old Testament quotes in ALL CAPS making it much easier to see quickly that it is the same verse as one that is being quoted.  So I found this one in Hebrews 8:11:

Heb 8:11  And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

This just so happens to be a quotation from the prophet Jeremiah.  If you notice this word translated as “know” is G1097 in the Strong’s.   If you go back to read John 14:17 again and look up the Greek word for “know” you will find that it is the exact same word in this verse.  So we can by logical deduction conclude that we have half of the puzzle solved on the New Testament side.  Then we go to Jeremiah 31:34 and see what word God used in this original verse that was quoted in the N.T. to see if it is related to the Genesis 4:1 word being used for sex.

Jer 31:34  And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

As you can see in this verse if you look for it, the Hebrew word translated as “know” is the word “H3045” in the Strong’s and guess what, that is the exact same word translated as “knew” in Genesis 4:1.  So by doing some extended analysis of the Bible, we have confirmed that God is talking about spiritual sex in John 14:17 using the same word; this is clearly not a natural act in John but, is on a spiritual scale.  God is basically saying that having knowledge of Him is like having sex with your wife or your husband.   So how do you get the knowledge of God?  The only way that I know to do this is to read and to study His Word.  And guess what the Bible says the Word is?  The Bible calls God’s Word His Seed (Mat 13:23, Mark 4:14).  Guess what a natural man’s sperm is called in the Bible, it is called his seed.  Are you beginning to see the parallels given to us in the Bible between these two subjects?  This is obviously a very complex concept to understand for some because they are only thinking naturally.  When you think only naturally as you attempt to interpret the Bible you are thinking as an enemy of God the Bible says (Rom 8:7).  So you can search your New Testament and see that the word “know” is used frequently when discussing God’s relationship to the church.  But, it is also a two way street as a type of relationship; we obtain to know God and then God knows us.  You can see these in verses like John 17:3, Eph 1:17, 2 Pet 1:8, 1 John 4:2, 4:6 and 1 John 5:20 to give you a head start in your Bible study search.  There are many scripture verses in the N.T. that also says we the church, are “In Christ” and that “Christ is in us”.  This is just another example of this two way street that I was referring to earlier.  You can find verses like this in Romans 8:10-11, 1 Cor 1:6, 1 Cor 3:1, 2 Cor 1:21, 2 Cor 13:5, Gal 4:19, Col 1:27, 1 Th 1:1, 1 Th 1:12, Php 1:6 and 1 Peter 5:14.  What these verses say is that we are in Christ and that Christ is also in us simultaneously.  What I am attempting to do with all of these verse references is demonstrate to you using God’s spiritual Words that the church is in a spiritual sexual relationship with God.  That I know is not very religious sounding for sure.  But, nevertheless it is what the Bible says and clearly implies.  God knows us and we know God, that is how the church can get pregnant spiritually speaking.

I guess what I want to do next is to demonstrate to you that a spiritual woman can become pregnant and give birth to spiritual children using verses found in the Bible.  By doing this analysis of the Bible to confirm that it has happened before, means that it can happen again.  I want to introduce you to a woman named in the Bible as the “Heavenly Jerusalem”.  I have talked about her in other Bible lessons so this is not something new for many of my faithful readers.  However, this woman is extremely important to see as an example of how a spiritual city of God’s doing can be called by God a woman who gives birth.  Let’s start by reading in Galatians 4:22:

Gal 4:22  For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

What God does is something that is very profound.  God takes the story of Abraham and uses it to teach us a spiritual lesson about God.  We learn in verse 24 that God calls this an “allegory”.  An allegory is always a real natural historical event with real people that reflect a type of a hidden spiritual truth.  I had one very ignorant minister write me an email that God does not use allegory and that allegory was an invention of the medieval dark ages.  He must have learned this at the cemetery, I mean seminary.  This minister obviously did not know how to read because God says right here in this chapter of Galatians that He does use allegories and that they are very important to understand correctly.  So let’s continue looking at the story of Abraham and see what God reveals to us.

If you did not realize it father Abraham is being used as a type of God the Father.  This verse in Galatians 4:22 says God had more than one son, did you know that?  Obviously a lot of ignorant NIV Bible translators did not know this, for they interpret God’s only begotten son (Jo 3:16) to be “God’s One and Only Son”.  I guess I won’t go there today any more than I already have.  Next in this chapter God says this:

Gal 4:23  But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

So now we start to learn some really new things about God.  According to this verse and others going forward we can see that God the Father had two wives.   Remember that this story is an allegory and keep that all in mind as you study it.  We have the one wife mentioned as being a type of Sarah, the freewoman.  But first, we have another woman mentioned being a type of Hagar, the slave woman.   These are mentioned in referees order from last to first wife based upon the story and I’ll talk more about this soon.  These are clearly two different women and two different children produced by them so they are both directly called “mothers”.  A mother is a woman who gives birth to a child, so this is not complicated just totally new stuff to many who have never studied it.

Gal 4:24  Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

So we are just getting deeper and deeper and I hope you came ready to swim, otherwise you are about to drown in the deep end of the pool.   God tells us that these are two covenants.  If we know that God the Father is a type of Abraham we know that God is saying something that is shockingly new to most people who study the Bible.  You see God is not talking about Jesus’ covenant with the church here at all and that will definitely put a kink in your religious theology.   Most every Christian realizes that the Bible is divided into the Old and New Testaments and surely you know that the word “Testament” means “Covenant”.   So our Bibles tell us that God divided His word into two separate relationships.  One is with the Old Testament nation of Israel and one is with the New Testament church.  However, it is impossible for these to be the covenants that God is talking about using the information that we learn about in this allegory.  You can clearly see in Galatians 4:24 that God starts telling us that one of these covenants is with a woman who is a type of Hagar who bears Ishmael for Abraham.  Let’s read the next verse for more information on who this allegorical bond woman represents:

Gal 4:25  For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

God tells us very clearly that the slave woman Hagar represents the Earthly city of Jerusalem and this corresponds to the covenant given to Moses on Mt Sinai.  Right here we have a major puzzle being presented to us and this is a very complex situation to resolve.  If you do not think so, then why was this riddle not solved a long time ago?  What we can see is that the Old Covenant given to Israel in the Old Testament is the marriage of God to the nation of natural people and God calls her a type of Hagar because she is still in bondage with her children.  What is the nation of Israel in bondage to?  It is the law of God!  These are the people who are still forced to keep the commandments of God and this causes them to remain in bondage.

I did not mean to get into so much detail about the Galatians 4 women in this lesson on the woman in Revelation 12, but it is important enough for you to clearly understand that I am just going to have to do it anyway.  What we learn about one woman in the Bible always applies to the subject of other women found in the Bible.  However this woman is qualified differently because she is a bond woman and the other is a free woman.  So let’s get back to the women in Galatians 4.  If Hagar is type of the Old Testament wife of God, then Sarah the older woman must represent a covenant that existed prior to Hagar coming into Abraham’s family as a slave.  If you study the story of Abraham and Sarah, Sarah was said to be a much older mature woman than Hagar.  Hagar is described as being an Egyptian woman and Abraham and Sarah went to Egypt many years after they were married.  Sarah was also Abraham’s ½ sister and thus we have some more perplexing complexity to consider.  So if Abraham marries his ½ sister and then many years later leaves his father house to go to Egypt, we must conclude that Hagar who was a much younger woman is a covenant that occurs some time later in Abraham’s life.  So logically we have to conclude that the covenant that God is referring to here in this chapter of Galatians is a covenant that He had entered into long before the one that He made with the people of Israel on the earth.  Also keep in mind that Sarah was always called the barren woman who was unable to have children.  According to the Bible this is why Sarah gives Hagar to her husband to have a son.  Anyway this part of the allegory is not that complex, however it is totally new stuff to many so it will be hard to accept.  Here is the next verse that I wanted to get to about Sarah the free woman:

Gal 4:26  But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Here we have another woman named “Jerusalem” but she is called the “Jerusalem which is above”.  Obviously this is a completely different city than Jerusalem below.  So we can also automatically know that she exists in the spiritual realm, being labeled “above”.  This woman has to be a spiritual reality and she is inferred to be a type of the allegorical Sarah who was barren.  So Sarah must also be a pre-existing covenant of God the Father to someone else not on the earth, but in the spiritual realm.  You can see more clearly who this is by reading in Hebrews 12:22 where God tell us that this city is called the “Heavenly Jerusalem” and that this city consisted of an innumerable company of angels.  We can deduce logically that Jerusalem Above and Heavenly Jerusalem are synonymous names for the same city.  What we can logically conclude is that God was in covenant with the angels and that this heavenly city was a spiritual relationship that existed prior to God’s relationship with the nation of Israel who was a type of Hagar.  This logically makes sense to me based upon what I have learn from studying the Bible.  Of course there is a ton of more things that I could teach you from this simple allegory given to us in Galatians 4, but I do not have the time or space to do that today. 

What I have done is shown you a city named Heavenly Jerusalem that God calls the spiritual mother of the church.  We clearly understand that the mother must be a spiritual reality since Jesus taught us that, “that which is born of flesh is flesh and that which is born of the spirit is spirit” (John 3:6).  We therefore, know that this spiritual mother (woman) pre-existed prior to the creation or birth of the church in order to have us as her children and to fit the allegorical pattern given to us as the barren Sarah.

Gal 4:27  For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

God quotes another Old Testament prophet named Isaiah (54:1) here and reveals to us some more of the mysteries of these two women and covenants in the Bible.  These are presented to us as a small part of a much greater, elaborate and perplexing puzzle or riddle from God.  Reading in Isaiah 54:1 this barren woman is told to sing, rejoice and shout for joy because she has finally given birth to the promised children of God.   It is very interesting to note that the Greek word translated as “travail” in this verse is only found 3 times in the N.T.  That is certainly not a coincidence by far, for you see that word occurs two times here in Galatians 4 and once in Rev 12:2.  The only other verse here in Galatians 4 is verse 19 where it says Paul is travailing in birth until Christ is formed in them that this letter is written to.  You obviously know that Paul was a male apostle of the early church, so how can this man give birth to anything or anyone?   It is not physically possible, so it must be only spiritually possible.  That is the mystery being revealed to us; church members can give spiritual birth to a spiritual being.  This confirms that the church is a female who can give birth.  This verse of prophecy in Gal 4:27 has a lot more complex information in it but again I just cannot get into today.  If you go and read some of my other blogs you might see some of the clues that I have revealed.  Here is the last verse in Galatians that I will talk about:

Gal 4:28  Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

This verse basically says what I have been trying to say in previous paragraphs.  This verse calls us (the church) the children of the “Heavenly Jerusalem” a type of Isaac who was the promised son to Abraham and Sarah from God.  Do you understand how amazing this story is?  God promises Abraham a son through Sarah and it turns out to be a type of the church.  This further implies that every child born under the Old Covenant woman of Hagar is not the promised seed so they will be cast out of the house as the story teaches us in Genesis 21:10 and they will not be the heirs with the free children.  Wow, that is bad news for the natural nation of Israel.  God clearly calls the nation of Israel the Ishmael’s of the world today.  This I know will be pretty difficult stuff to grasp for many Christians. 

What I have demonstrated to you is very clear Bible evidence that a spiritual woman can have spiritual children.  Logically we can make the following spiritual conclusions based upon our knowledge naturally created things and the verses that we have just studied:

  1.  A Spiritual woman can give birth to a spiritual child.
  2. There must have been a spiritual conception in order for there to be a spiritual child.
  3. In order for a spiritual conception to occur, spiritual knowledge must have been exchanged.
  4. In order for a spiritual woman to conceive a Spiritual Father is also required.
  5. God is always the Spiritual Father in every covenant marriage.

If you understand the Bible and covenants better now, you know that God the Father was in covenant with the spiritual angels in heaven prior to making a covenant with the nation of Israel on the earth.  This knowledge helps us to better understand why God created our world, Adam and Eve, and had a son named Jesus who came to make a New Covenant with us.  Because the New Covenant is now with the risen Son of God, God the Father tells us that the Old Covenants with Israel and the angels have been terminated.  This is exactly why the Bible says that Satan should not have crucified the Lord of Glory on the cross (1 Cor 2:8).

I have given more than enough evidence found in the Bible that the church qualifies to be the woman in Revelation 12 who gives birth to a son.  I hope and pray that you have enjoyed studying about this subject and who knows I will probably write more on it later.  God Bless you until next time.

About agapegeek

Using the Bible to understand the Bible! Advanced Bible study for mature Chrisitians who want to grow.

Posted on December 18, 2010, in Bible Study, Chapter 12, Revelation and tagged , , , , , , , , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 3 Comments.

  1. I think I finally understand now. The church in Rev 12 is the bride of God the Father and that’s why she is pregnant. You were correct all along. God bless you!

  2. I thank God for finding your blog. Your work has inspired me to read and search the Bible in a new way. Regarding the identity of the woman in Rev.12: You make some very good points. But there were some things that were bothering me: If she is the church, why is she pregnant prior to the marriage? This was on my mind and I have been praying to God for an answer. This is what I was shown this morning when I opened my Bible:

    “For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.”
    – Romans 8:22-23 (ESV)

    Praise be to God!

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