Must Women Keep Silent in the Church?

Kathryn_Kuhlman_Evangelist(Ver 1.3)  Some may have noticed that I do not avoid controversy.  I believe we need to learn and take on even the difficult or controversial Bible subjects that many like to ignore.  The Bible has some very difficult things written in it and a woman teaching in the church is certainly one example of those.  Vast numbers of ignorant people have long proclaimed dominance over women, placing them in only subservient roles that are clearly biased to what they like or feel is the proper order of things.  What these type of people do is jump on a very limited number of scriptures that they whole hardly embrace and proclaim as the final basis of all truth.  This of course forces them to ignore vast numbers of other scriptures that do not align with their desired outcome or definition of truth.  We must understand that the Bible is a book of more than one scripture and one truth.  We must balance every verse on the subject we are claiming to be the truth, before we can say what is the truth to anyone else.

Have you ever studied the Bible on every scripture reference on the subject of women in the Bible?  Do you believe you totally understand every scripture in the Bible on the subject of women? I say there is no way that we have done this complete enough to be call our self an expert on the subject.  The Bible is way too complicated for anyone to say they know it all.  So how is it that a some men can get up to teach and claim that women are not permitted to preach or teach in the church based upon their limited knowledge on the subject?  I mean, please ask who died and made them God?  Is not God the only person living that completely knows and understand the entire Bible?  But I believe it would be wise for these types of men to learn a lesson from the book of Job.   God asked Job, “Who is this that darkens my counsel with words with no knowledge?”   When people teach that a woman is incapable of teaching or preaching the Word of God, I believe that this implies that they believe women do not have the brains or mental capacity to know or understand the truth of the Word of God.  It would also imply that they believe women can not hear from God and should not be praying to God.  In other words it comes across that women are not able to go directly to God to listen for His leading because they should only go directly through their husbands or the other men in the church first.

People can be so ignorant when it comes to a deep Bible study discussion like this.  What we are going to do is go through some key Bible verses that are often ignored or overlooked to examine what God says in regard to references of women in the Bible and their roles.  Have you ever had a Godly woman influence you?  I can only personally speak a testimony about women that influenced me.  I will tell you that if it were not for good Christian women in the church, I would probably not be here today teaching the Word of God.  I believe that it was only because of their direct prayers, help, involvement and their leadings from God in ministry that I am even here today to write this lesson.  So I appreciate whoever God uses and I refuse to put limitations on what God can do through anyone.  Let’s focus upon the root scriptures of controversy first:

1Ti 2:11  Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

So here we go with the classic, shut up and just learn speech.  However, I’m going to apply this verse to everyone today and not just women.  If you are distracted, talking to others while the Word of God is being taught, are you learning anything?  No, of course you are not!  This was the situation in this letter.  Paul was addressing a very specific problem of distraction in a very specific church and he was not establishing a law that women can’t talk.  If the problem was that the males were talking in church, then I believe Paul would have said, men keep quiet and learn.  Humans both male and female were designed by God with a mouth and the ability to talk and communicate intelligently, so to say a woman can’t talk, is very ignorant.

So now this verse ends in the word “subjection” and this is not a bad word.  It means you are “not in control” and you are “not the head”.  Everyone on this planet is in subjection to someone or something.  This word applies to men equally and as strong as to women.  If you have ever been in the military you understand “subjection”.  You follow orders from the day you join to the day you leave.  You are not there to do anything but to follow orders.  The corporate business world is very similar but some people do get paid to be creative and come up with new ideas.  However, this does not mean they can do whatever they want, whenever they want and to whoever they want.  They still have to be submissive to those that they are working for.  To be submissive is a normal way of life; it promotes order and a chain of command for authority and this further designates who has responsibility as well as accountability.

Even the CEO of large public company is accountable to the stock holders.  There is really no one on the earth that is in complete control of anything.  Submission is not a negative thing and it should never be used to force anyone to do anything that they do not want to do or keep them from doing what God calls and desires them to do.  Learn from God’s example, the utmost highest Spiritual Being who came to the earth in the flesh and while He was here He washed the feet of His disciples.  Please don’t make yourself better than God.  If you are not serving someone else, you have become deceived.

1Ti 2:12  But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

So here we go with another “Thus saith the Lord”!  Oh yea, it doesn’t say God said this, it says Paul said this using the personal pronoun “I’ and that is certainly different, isn’t it?   Did you know that Paul could have an opinion that could be his own and potentially biased or even wrong?  Was Paul God?  Did Paul know everything?  Remember in 1 Cor 13:12 that Paul wrote that he and all of us only see through a glass darkly and only know the entire truth in part.  Wow, that is amazing revelation to apply to each of us personally.  We need not think too highly of our self and believe we know and understand everything about any Bible subject.

Let us look at some other translations of 1 Timothy 2:12.  The Modern King James Version says “I forbid a woman to teach”.  Again this represents a personal opinionated choice of Paul.  The New American Standard Bible says “I do not allow a woman to teach”.  No mention of God’s command here either.  The American Standard Versions says “I permit not a woman to teach”.  These are all common translations that harmonize together.  There is no contradiction between any of the translations that it was only Paul’s opinion being given to the church for that day and that culture.

Were Paul’s personal views and words shaped by his life’s experiences and the culture of the surrounding world influences?  I believe they were just as our views have a basis of our own cultural surroundings and influences.  Please do not misunderstand me.  I have no doubt that these words were inspired by God to be written down, but I believe that does not mean God said them.   If we believe that every word in the Bible is a command from God then we need to understand the Bible a lot more.  There are quotations given by Satan who we know is a liar.  Therefore these are not instructions to follow or obey.  Then there are a lot of quotes from Job that he was rebuked by God for saying.  There are literally too many examples to teach them all.  But I will mention a great example to learn from found in 1 Corinthians 7:6-12.  In these verses Paul was very clear to teach us how he flipped between his opinion on a subject of marriage and then what God says on the specific subject.  Please go and read these verses carefully and observe how Paul said “I say, not the LORD” and other times “not I, but the Lord says”.  This is just an example that we need to learn from to rightly divide the Word of Truth in other passages.

Let’s talk about the Bible cultural influences that are used to influence the Words on the pages.  In ancient days, were women ever in charge of anything when Paul wrote this?  You can find a few instances of women like Jezebel, Cleopatra who were in the world of power to have some significant influence, power and authority for the devil.  But for the most part, it was a total male controlled  world.  There are many religions in the world that still hold to this domineering male philosophy and I like to watch what the devil does and learn from how he wants to pervert things.  Satan seems to either want to keep women totally ignorant in a slave type of relationship or exalt them to the top of the food chain and make them run everything independently of men.  It is either total submission like in countries of Afghanistan or Iran or total women’s liberation and independence like in Europe and parts of America.  I believe both are perverted wrongs of extreme and the truth of God must be somewhere balanced in the middle.  What I would like to say is if Satan uses women for his perversion, who says it is not possible for God to use women for His righteousness and Holiness?

Only a few Christian churches seem to have the correct perspective of a balanced approach of the truth being somewhere in the middle.  So here is another problem, I have heard from many extreme preachers and teachers that these verses written to Timothy should be interpreted that all women must not teach but rather to sit and keep silent in the church.  According to correct Bible interpretation rules I need another witness that says this is the law of truth and so far I have not found it.  The Bible says in the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses let every word be established and here we read one passage  and people want to make it the rule of their doctrine and force everyone to adhere to it.   I searched through every N.T. verse that had any form of the word “teach” and this is the only verse that I found with the word woman used in this regard.  I find that to be a major problem with some people’s interpretation.  If anyone is trying to take one verse out of context and make it a rule of law, that does not work for me.  So let’s look at some other verses in the Bible and see what God says about women and see if we can come up with a balanced approach to this subject.  Let us turn to the book of Acts and see how the early church is described.

Act 2:17  And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

In this verse in Acts, Peter is quoting the Word of God from the Prophet Joel.  Right there we learn that this means we will possess two direct witnesses to what this verse says.  So we are clearly on much safer  and firmer ground for our interpretation.  Do you understand that concept?  It is so very important.  According to this verse, God will in the last days pour out His Spirit upon “ALL FLESH”!  This verse would certainly include both women as well as men as you can clearly see.  This verse continues to say that both your sons and your daughters would “prophesy”.  So let’s stop right there and ask the question what does it mean to “prophesy”?  Can you or I prophesy in silence?  What is the difference between teaching with words of the Bible give by the Spirit of God in a church and prophesying with the words of the Spirit of God in a church?  Can you think of any differences?  Isn’t prophesying the act of speaking words out loud to someone else so that they can hear them?  Then what is the definition of teaching?  Isn’t teaching speaking out loud words for other people to hear?  It would be useless for a woman to prophesy without someone to hear her.  Uh oh?   You can automatically and quickly see that this verse directly conflicts with Paul’s command to keep silent.  You also have to remember that Paul did not really tell women to keep silent, he said to “learn in silence” and that is completely different than to never say anything.  Let us see another example in the book of Acts that brings further confirmation:

Act 21:9  And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.

These 4 daughters were the children of Phillip the evangelist.  We are clearly told that they were able to prophesy to others.  This clearly means speaking out loud in an audible voice that can be heard and even directed at the men that were there in the house.  Did you know that the early church met in houses?  They did not have any synagogues, temples or church buildings to meet at, so they met in houses.  If the daughters of Phillip prophesied in the house they were probably doing it during a church service.  So we have a huge issue with should a woman always keep silent in the church.   Please allow me to ask again, what is the technical difference between teaching and prophesying?   Is there a difference?  Are not both spoken words directed at listeners?  I will say this, if you do not have women prophesying in your church services, you do not have a complete New Testament church.  You have deviated from God’s original plan observed in the book of Acts in favor of your ideas of order.  Let us now approach this subject from a new direction and see how God teaches us something new to consider.

Gal 3:26  For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

According to the Bible, God says that we are all His children.  So does God play favorites?  Are the male children preferred above the female children?  If you think that they are you are clearly ignorant.  Let us keep reading:

Gal 3:27  For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

We can continue down this chapter and see that every Christian has been baptized into Christ and that makes us ALL one with Him equally.  This is an all-inclusive statement that includes both males and females.  Then notice what God says about us all:

Gal 3:28  There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

So here we go with another paradox and puzzle being presented.  In Christ males and females are not different, but in the world we clearly see that we are quite different.   This is the foundational difference between someone who is naturally thinking versus someone who is spiritually thinking.  We know in the world there are both males and females, but God claims in the spiritual dimension in Christ, we are all just members of one body.  There is no difference within the Spirit realm from each other.  I personally believe that men who teach male dominance usually are just very carnally minded individuals who look at external things and do not try to see things spiritually as God sees things.

If ignorant Bible teachers would just please read and study their Bible’s to see things within the Spirit and not in the flesh and how God sees them, they would discover that the church is called the “Bride of the Lamb”.  Jesus is plainly revealed to be the Bridegroom of the church in the Spirit realm.  New Covenant (Luk 5:34-35).  Does that bother you, to be called a spiritual woman bride?  I think it does to many carnal naturally thinking people.   But this means we (the church) are all one woman in the eyes of God.  So we are all in covenant and in subjection to our Head who is the Lord Jesus Christ.

So how can Paul write that women should not teach in one place in the Bible and then write there is no difference between men and women in Christ in another place?  If you do not understand the conflict between these two contrasting and opposing statements, then you do not realize that we have a major problem.  Here is my opinion and I usually do not give you my opinion so you do not have to take anything to heart that I say next in this paragraph.  I think from a natural perspective that men counseling women or women counseling men should never be done under any circumstance.  Here is the problem, men generally speaking like women too much.  I have seen the best married pastors get into physical affairs with women because of this natural attraction that God created within us.  Women should counsel women, and men should counsel men.  This just makes the most sense to me.  So I believe that counseling between opposite sexed individuals in the privacy of an office type setting should never be done under any circumstances.  By avoiding the appearance of evil, men and women will not fall into these types of traps that Satan can use against them.   However, what people do in a public church service is not limited by these natural types of rules. That was my opinion and there is no extra charge for that.  So let us see what else the Bible says about women:

Tit 2:3  The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

This verse is directed at mature women, but I was shocked at how it ended.  To be a teacher of “good” things implies that women can teach.  In fact it clearly implies these women should be teachers.  It further implies that these women have gained some wisdom that is worthy to be taught to others.  Obviously we have another verse that goes against the concept of a “keep silent” verse that some men like to focus upon.  So we have another potential conflict of whether women should ever teach or women should never teach.

Tit 2:4  That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

Here we have the follow up to the previous verse and it clearly says that it is OK for women to teach other women.  Now it is interesting that this verse directly contradicts again that a woman should keep silent that some men try to teach as the only gospel truth.  If a woman has the ability to teach another woman, then she must also have the ability to teach anyone (PERIOD)!  Any teaching ability is a gifting of the Holy Spirit a special anointing given from by God.  

I would like you to go back and read chapter 1 of Titus, because in this chapter it is talking about Bishops in the church.  God and Paul are clearly talking about women teaching in a church setting and not in a private setting.  So instead of denying women who are called of God the right to preach and teach, we should be smart enough to recognize when God is doing something and not fight against God.  If God is not behind it, it will not matter who it is that is teaching or preaching because there will be no anointing from the Spirit of God and it will eventually fail.  My Bible says that unless the Lord builds the house, those that build it labor in vain (Ps 127:1).  So if God wants to use a woman, we better bow to the wisdom of God and keep our mouth closed while we learn.  Please learn the lesson that people try to only apply to women, learn in silence and we might be amazed at what God says through a woman. 

We could go through the Bible from the beginning to the end to find that women play an essential part of the design of God’s purpose for humans.  God promises the first woman that it will be a woman and her seed that will bruise the head of Satan with her heel.  Wow, that sounds significant.  Then at the end of the Bible we find a “Wonder Woman” standing on the moon which is a symbolic representation for Satan with her heels on top.  Wow, again!  We are seeing that God chose to uses a woman to do this job!  

Then read through the rest of Bible in between Genesis and Revelation and you will find other women used by God for very significant purposes.  To name a couple notice Esther.  Without her fulfilling her purpose to become a Gentile king’s wife, there would probably be no nation of Israel.  A woman was the center character used by God to accomplish this.  Then without Ruth a Gentile Moabite who decided to have faith to leave her nation to join in covenant with her mother-in-law to move to Bethlehem, there may have not been a Grandmother to King David.  Read the account about Deborah who was one of the Judges (rulers) during the book of Judges.  These are just a few of the women that are noteworthy to from.  But there are other noteworthy women of faith like Sarah.  Sarah was directly mentioned in Hebrews chapter 11, the Hall of Faith of noteworthy examples of Old Covenant people.  

CONCLUSION

Let us review our key verse again that causes many to stumble in the light of what we have just read from other parts of the Bible:

1Ti 2:12  But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Let me ask you again, how can a woman keep silent and still prophesy?  She can’t!  How can a woman teach other women in the church and still keep silent?  She can’t!  Did you know the word translated as “usurp authority over” is only in the entire Bible this one time in this verse and no other places?  According to Strong’s it means “a worker” who acts of themselves.  Do you know this is wrong for anyone to do regardless of gender?  To act of yourself means to be self-appointed and self-sufficient.  This means to promote yourself and raise your own ability to a level above where you should be.  Men are guilty of this more than women are guilty of it.  So I do not know of any verse in the Bible that says that a woman cannot be called by God, appointed by God, promoted by God and made to be a blessing to others in the church?  Today, God has already raised up and promoted several women in the church with large ministries that are way beyond many of the ministries of men on the earth.  So please, let us become wise and recognize God’s perspective of truth and please LORD, help me not to judge the message given by the gender of the person delivering the message.  Help me LORD, to study what is taught and just see if what is said was what You said in your Word!  Help me to learn to see people as You see people and I believe You will be able to cause Your servants to stand or fall. 

I’ll end this Bible lesson with an important instruction that God gave to one man and you see if it is something that applies to you also today:

1Sa 16:7  But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on  the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh  on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

Please do not become legalistic and bound by laws of limitations that put God in a box that claims a woman is unable to be used by the Almighty.  Thank you for reading, studying and leaving me a comment if you care to.  I love you all and I pray for all my readers that He will give unto you the Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation in the knowledge of Christ Jesus.  Amen.

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  1. Thank you for this!, also, this reminds me to Deborah, who certainly teached to men, she was temporarily a leader of Israel, can you make a post about her?

  2. What I can understand here is the issue of being the teacher and being the leader of the church of the living God. As far as I can remember Ephesians chapter 4 is telling us to be in unity, not to be divided on the issue of who will do the job of teaching. That is why Paul is so very specific of those roles he said ‘some’ (Eph 4:11) not all. If everybody would like to be on someone’s shoe then the church is most likely to be divided. We can agree that the role of leadership is given to men not to women (agree?). Women can teach other women, young people and children but to lead the whole congregation that is usurping the authority of leadership of a man. ”Let your women keep silence in the churches (not only their church also ours): for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but (here is the but) they are commanded to be under (note the word) OBEDIENCE, as also saith the law. So you see, they are under obedience to their pastor and their husband. ‘It is a shame for women to speak (that is to make herself a leader) in the church. God is a God of order and He would not let His church to be in a mess situation (1 Cor. 14:34-40). I don’t recall in the N.T. that there is a particular woman who lead the church of the living and true God. I salute women who teach God’s word but I despised women who will usurp authority in leadership over a man. Thank you all for a healthy discussion over this issue. God bless us all!

  3. I have prayed about this over and over again having been raise with the doctrine of keep silent, when clearly God is not respecter of persons. I love your position and teaching. May I offer what God has revealed to me.1Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. It goes on to say 2:13 For Adam was first formed and then Eve and 2:14 And Adam was not deceived but the Woman being deceived was in the transgression, then in 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in Child bearing, if they continue in Faith and charity(love) and holiness with sobriety. For the first Adam was not deceived but his wife was and then he willingly gave up his authority to satan .The second Adam (Jesus Christ) redeemed mankind but His wife the church can be deceived unless we allow Man/ Husband/Head of the Church (Jesus Christ) full authority and we listen in silence to Him,and speak only what He puts in our mouths to speak and never speak of our own authority. In other words we should be silent if we do not speak the Word of God for if we teach another gospel it is cursed of God. This is the way we bear children for the Kingdom, and yes we must remain in the faith, in love and be holy as He is holy. This assures our salvation as the Bride/Body/Church of God. We must be lead by the Spirit of God to be His children…we can not lead Him or usurp authority over Him, so if He has not anointed you to preach or teach or give a message then keep silent.

  4. Im about to make a sexist statement. I believe that men are priests and that is a gender related thing. As a woman, I don’t feel that’s very insulting to me. Quite the opposite, men are in great need of extra help in the area of being nurturing and creatures that care for others. They are given extra guidances to help them become more the natural nurturers that women are supposed to be. That’s not to say that there aren’t men and women that fall out of the natural inclinations but I don’t really feel like it matters if I teach right now because that is the best way to learn. I believe priests need to do that. It isn’t shut up. It’s let them (men) teach. The bible says things about men too like John 3:19 “men loved darkness rather than light”. NIV apparently says people but I would leave that men because we don’t pluralize humankind like “menkind” it’s a gender reference that is beautiful because it is in harmony with Adam and Eve because he did follow Eve into darkness. Or Cain or David or take your pick but those are men stories. I’m not catholic but I like that their priesthood are narrowed in their worship by being forced to follow specific divine ordinances…very important because obviously by the media hype they are in dire need to follow a strict regimen of worship that if they followed it, they would be better nurturers and not fallen into abuse. Many people read Adam and eve as a story of the nasty of women but it’s the greatest love story ever told. It’s also our greatest role in this life as women to be natural nurturers in our families and communities and society even if we are not mothers on our own. God placed a baby in my arms and as intimately as to my breast because I am loving and capable of great patience and gentleness. What greater thing than to be able to stand the pains of birth and still be able to love the little person the cause of it? We are naturally forgiving and loving and I’m glad for my role in eternity. I’m hope other people will quit diminishing it. Being a woman is a great thing.

  5. Gud teaching, may gud God will Bless u, in jesus name.

  6. I think you err in assuming that people (men) think women should not teach because they are incapable. Jesus did not keep silent before His accusers because he was incapable of wise speech, but because he was fulfilling scripture; and this type of silence is very different- it is a tranquility of purpose which women often lack because they do not appreciate their role. Gal. 3:28 is not a contradiction that God made us male and female. It is not about our roles in the church. It is about worth. We are all worth exactly the same; we are not the same. I still think that the ‘picture’ of the bride not being equal in authority to the husband but created to be a partner perfectly suited is what we are after, because God has ordained the church to be His Son’s bride, and he created male/female husband/wife roles to paint a picture of this. We (the church) do not hold authority the same as Christ, but work beside Him and beautifully obey. Like a dance- there must be a lead and a follower, but a well done dance does not see the lead dragging the follower around by the neck! It looks like a total joint effort and it is often indistinguishable to the observer that there even is a leader. In my studies of this subject, I agree that women are to teach, and prophesy; but I also think there are problems in the ‘picture’ with women grasping for ‘equality’ (sameness of role) in church leadership. It seems in some denominations where this is embraced, men tend to become rather lazy or ‘just let them do it then.’ and women leaders become lesbians. (To be frank). Something happens to that male/female picture that is not of God. But my main point would be that the reason for women to remain tranquil, non-grasping for a ‘bigger role’, or that they step back and let men lead, would be that it would be an honour to share in what our Lord did as described in Phil. Christ did not view equality with God as something to be grasped at, but took on the role of a servant. If, in allowing men to lead, we can be a living picture of that, that is not something to chaff at.

  7. 1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence…………I believe if you do a study on the word “man” in this scripture, it can be traced back to being the woman’s husband. I LOVE this place!!

    • You are correct based upon the Greek Word definition in the Strong’s and the content of the subject context being between a husband and his wife in the verse immediately following. 1 Tim 2:13 clearly references Adam and Eve a distinct family unit. The wife is not to teach her husband and that is all we should take away from 1 Tim 2:12. If we try to apply it to a church setting that would be taking it clearly out of context. Thanks for your comments and God Bless!

  8. By God’s grace I came across your site when searching for articles on faith and read from The Genesis of Faith! Part 1 to Part 14. I thank God for you, sir. I will go over it again and again with His grace. I found your teaching to be rooted on the Word. With this message I am a bit unsettled. How differently we should treat a statement in the Bible when “it doesn’t say God says this, it says I say this”?.
    How much of words shaped by his or her “life’s experiences and his/her surrounding world influences” should be taken into consideration when studying and practicing the Word. Should sociology, psychology and other “…ologies” be consulted before accepting what is written in the Bible? Can the most popular and ‘successful’ female ministers proved something different from what we read in 1Ti 2:11, “ Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection”. Please let us know.
    One more thing -What about “…..God’s household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets” of Ephesians 2:20?
    I am asking with genuine desire to learn on this subject. I personally do not go with the idea of oppression of women. Please help.

    • I do not see that as an insult to women at all. All through scripture, women helped and taught others. Women even taught women in public places, but not with men present.

      Perhaps in this U.S. culture, a woman gets intimidated anytime she feels that she is not on the same level as a man (or even higher), and I can understand that since many men have abused their role given by God towards a woman.

      Recall Adam and Eve, Adam was the one that God addressed because of the sin brought on by Eve. God did not treat them on the same level. In the beginning, woman was created to be a helper for the man. I did NOT, nor did God, say slave, or that they were lower. That’s been man’s doing, or shall I say Satan’s? Rather God places more responsibility on the man. The man is to love and care for his wife as she is the weaker vessel (something that is fragile).

      God decides how His worship will be done, not man. Further, the smallest role is vital, even if it is teaching a 3 and 4 year old class as I do. Women should not feel like they get the bad jobs. And we should all understand how much power we have. But at the same time, remember, God has placed a lot of responsibility on the man. Respect God, Respect man, and for crying out loud….respect yourself and you won’t need to feel some type of equality.

      Ephesians 2:20 does in fact teach that the apostles and prophets teaching is the foundation of the church. Jesus is the chief cornerstone. To say that Paul’s word’s are not important conflicts with this scripture. I am a woman, and I can respect this passage. I do not see it as a put down to women at all. If we are to respect the Word of God, we must be careful to not justify why we can do something that makes us feel better if the Bible has not justified it

      • I appreciate your time reading and for making a comment. People are allowed to see whatever they want in the Bible to be the truth by God’s design. However many times what we believe is in error and contradiction with other scriptures. In your commnet you said women never taught men in the Bible and you must have ignored my references to the women who prophesied to the men in Acts. You can further see that when Jesus was raised from the dead there was another example of women teching men. The angel appeared to the women present at the tomb and tells them to go and tell the disciples (men). Clearly women preached the ressurection before any man did and they dit it directly to the males that followed Jesus. There are other examples, but that is two witnesses to the truth. Now you are still free to believe whatever you would like. Just go back and reread the Bible with an open mind and see if you can see things from God’s perspective instead of man’s. He said in Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek, and neither is there male or female. God further says for us to look not on the things that are seen, but the things that are unseen for the seen things are temporary and the unseen things are eternal. Christians ignore both of these verse and continue to want to remain focused on the temporary external flesh and ignore the internal spiritual realm. God Bless you!

  9. I read “Must women keep silent in the church”. By God’s grace I came across your site when searching for articles on faith and read from The Genesis of Faith! Part 1 to Part 14. I thank God for you, sir. I will go over it again and again with His grace. I found your teaching to be rooted on the Word. With this message I am a bit unsettled. How differently we should treat a statement in the Bible when “it doesn’t say God says this, it says I say this”?.
    How much of words shaped by his or her “life’s experiences and his/her surrounding world influences” should be taken into consideration when studying and practicing the Word. Should sociology, psychology and other “…ologies” be consulted before accepting what is written in the Bible? Can the most popular and ‘successful’ female ministers proved something different from what we read in 1Ti 2:11, “ Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection”. Please let us know.
    One more thing -What about “…..God’s household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets” of Ephesians 2:20?
    I am asking with genuine desire to learn on this subject. I personally do not go with the idea of oppression of women. Please help.

  10. dear friend, it is what God says that matters, not even what agape geek says. i have respect for you from your previous posts. but, let me tell this, when paul told women to teach women, it is for older women to teach younger women, not in church but in family, maintaining god’s order of women to be submissive to their husbands. i dont talk much now. but, a little later, i will. again, not my opinion, not yours sir, but the commandment of THE MOST HIGH. AMEN. :-)GMAW.

  11. Our God is so wise….I just want to thank you for being so bold in Christ addressing this issue. So many women are broken at spirit because of this teaching. I know I was and God is still in the process of healing me. I am a 32 year old Christian woman of God, which had this very similar revelation, persay five years or more ago. If more people would open their hearts to God for instruction, they would be deceived less. Learn the Word, know the Word, and listen to God for instruction with the Word. Thank God for his Holy Spirit because he is truly the Ultimate teacher. Please ladies recognize that men are placed in our lives to be reverenced, but find truth for your self through Christ Jesus. I pray that you continue to lead and encouraged by Our One and True LIVING GOD.

    • Thank You! For taking the time to read my blog and then to make such a blessed comment. You are an example of that which I was trying to teach about and you hear from God the same as I do. In Christ we are no different! We all know Him who is True, even us from the least to the greatest.

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