(Ver 1.0) This is now “Part 10” in the advanced Bible study series of lessons revealing, “The True Identity of the Woman in Revelation 12”. If you would like to read from the beginning, you may like to go to “PART 1” first. Today’s lesson is also “Part 3” of the miniseries within the full series called “Why the Church”. If you would like to read from the beginning of the mini-series, you may like to go to “Part 8” now. Regardless of where you begin to study, this series is only intended for spiritually mature Christians. If you feel this does not describe you, please do not attempt to continue to read any of this series. It could cause some to be offended, and that is never our intention. Love demands that you judge yourself.
This mini-revealing series is designed to answer a lot of Christian’s deep questions to; how this woman could possibly be the church in the light of the apparent divine identity of her child as being the Christ? Many good people see the natural words, and description written to us, to indicate this woman could only be the virgin Mary, or the natural nation of Israel.
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Many Christians are challenged by the God given design of the book of Revelation. I believe the Holy Spirit spoke to me, and said the book of Revelation is a compilation of word images. God spoke these written words through His mouth, using His Spiritual tongue, to paint us a visually organized spiritual set of word masterpieces. These pictures were given to us from the ultimate Word Artist. His paintings are the most valuable images, and understanding them are of far greater value than owning a Picasso, or Rembrandt.
In Revelation 12, there are plainly many words, that can only be taken as symbolism, like a dragon, and a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet. These clear symbolic references are then mixed with natural descriptions, like a pregnant woman, who is crying out in pain, travailing in birth, laboring to be delivered, etc., that can easily be taken as a literal specific human event, like the birth of Christ in Bethlehem.
Think about what was just stated about these Revelation words being word pictures. Did you ever see the drawing that someone did of a beautiful woman? But then did you ever notice that if you looked as that picture with a different perspective the beautiful woman became a witch? Or did you ever notice the 3-dimensional photos, where on the surface it just looked like a lot of random colors and dots, but when your focus changed, it became an amazing 3-D picture of another object like the space-shuttle?
This is exactly what is happening in the book of Revelation, with us changing our normal human natural focus into God’s spiritual higher divine perspective. These word images do two things with amazing clarity of wisdom. These words conceal the truth with natural word thoughts that can be taken one way to hide the truth. But then they can simultaneously reveal the truth, by us only receiving the Holy Spirit to allow Him to help us change our view using the Light of His Word.
Now consider this truth. God writes about every major thing that will happen in the future, but He does it in a way to keep it from being known by His enemies. The author of the book of Revelation, who is the Holy Spirit, appears to hide the meanings of His strategies and plans from the devil. But simultaneously it appears that He desired for His saved children on the earth to be able to read and discover the real actual meanings at the right time. How can God do this using only words?
He could do this by utilizing coded message. He could write the book of Revelation using an obvious message that everyone would think that it is. But using His other writings that were written to His children, He could help then to understand the keys found in the letters, and then He could use these keys to help us find the correct definitions and meanings for what was not available to His spiritual enemies.
This is the strategy of encryption using unlocking key techniques used in software everywhere today. What if God knew that people would possess, the internet, computers, and smart phones? What if God leveraged His foreknowledge of the future to hide information about what would occur during the tribulation, because people on the earth would have this technology at the end-of-days, to solve the mysteries with His help? What if this is true?
Could this new transformative spiritual information, help us to change our perspective about what a pregnant woman wearing our closest star, and standing on the moon giving birth to a child could mean? Can we begin to see the heavenly spiritual word images, instead of the earthly natural viewpoints? Why can’t this woman mean something greater than us just trying to understand it only using natural literal imagery? Couldn’t Satan simply read about what the book of Revelation said, 2000 years ago, and then just prepare a counter-strategy, far in advance to keep it all from happening? I pray that opening will help a lot of people that are still struggling to see from God’s viewpoint.
In the last lesson we were introduced to some very new radical Bible ways to change our natural perspectives into higher spiritual perspectives, of how to see the woman in Revelation 12. Many have struggled to understand how the church is pregnant and could give birth to the Messiah. But God taught us how this picture of a pregnant woman wearing the sun, and standing on the moon, can represent the spiritual church using common well known natural descriptions. We covered 7 major points in the last lesson. It was a long essential study, but today there will only be one single but very significant subject to help shorten the length of the study. Let us review a short list of items that should have been learned in the last lesson, to help us understand that the woman in Revelation 12 is definitely the church:
|SYMBOL||NEW COVENANT REALITY|
|Rev 12:2 A pregnant woman. Can this represent the church?||Galatians 4:19 Paul gives birth again to cause the Spirit of Christ to be formed in new believers|
|Rev 12:2 The woman travailed with birth pain||Galatians 4;19 Paul also travails using the exact same Greek word to give spiritual birth|
|Rev 12:2 The woman cries out in pain (Today this is called going into labor)||1 Cor 3:8, 1 Cor 15:58, Gal 4:11, Php 1:22, 1 Th 3:5, Rev 2:2, to name only 6 verses that reveal the church is in labor to produce new children of Christ.|
|Rev 12:2 The woman waits to be delivered||Gal 4:27, Tit 2:13, Rom 7:24, 1 Cor 15:24, 2 Cor 1:10, Gal 1:4, 1 Th 1:10, these are just 7 verses of connections to the church waiting to be delivered|
|Rev 12:4 The woman brings forth the fruit of her womb||God’s desire was for man to be fruitful (Gen 1:28). God is waiting patiently to harvest this fruit (James 5:7, 18)|
We will not spend any more time reviewing the last lesson. But if you have not read this one, it is highly recommended that you go back to “Part 9” and read the series overview. However, understanding today’s subject is not dependent upon reading it. Today’s Bible lesson will stand alone if you would like to continue reading.
COMMENT QUESTION AND ANSWER
Recently during the last lessons, we have had comments that try to claim the woman in Revelation 12, represented a God designed rare occurrence within His heavenly creation for a sign. This event took place in the 2nd heaven on September 23, 2017. It is undeniable that it occurred. In this created event the claim is made that our sun was in the Zodiac constellation of Virgo. During the night sky on this date some have concluded that the stars making up the constellation Virgo were clothed with our sun. An alignment took place that had another constellation above her head named Leo. This Leo was said to be her crown of 12 stars. However, normally Leo consists of only 9 stars, but during this date, three planets could be seen in the formation of Leo. This they say was the 12-star crown.
Now, is where it becomes more interesting when observing the heavenly natural layout, with Revelation 12 verses 1-3. There was the moon and a serpent constellation aligned under the feet of Virgo. Then there was the planet Jupiter that revolved around inside of the belly of Virgo for approximately 9 months before exiting Virgo between her legs, like a type of birth.
This is truly amazing but, this event should only be viewed as a visible sign or symbol that gives us the desire to point us to know that it is now the time, for us all to go and discover what God wrote about in the book of Revelation. Beyond this meaning, it cannot be interpreted to mean anything else without Bible verses that confirm it. If you know of any you are free to share them.
At the beginning of the lesson, we talked about the era of technology that we are living in. This is clearly what Daniel spoke of in Daniel 12:4 when he prophesied that at the end, there would be a massive increase in knowledge and many people would be traveling around the world rapidly. This confirms God knew the end from the beginning.
It also confirms God knew when this constellation could be seen by human technology to help us to confirm that we were living near the time that this event in Revelation 12, needs to be understood. But what if this was only given by God to help us know the times, we were living in to help us prepare for His soon coming?
There are many issues that come to mind, if we try to make this event that occurred on September, 23, 2017, to be the fulfillment of Revelation 12:1-5. First, we must ignore that the same woman is mentioned in almost every verse to the end of the chapter. If the woman in Revelation 12:1 is a constellation, then the same woman in verse 17 is also the constellation or we are being very inconsistent in our interpretations.
The second major problem occurs by the fact that this is now 2022 when writing this lesson. This would be almost 5 years after the event and Revelation 12 must have commenced and it only lasts for 42 months. We must be inside of the tribulation very deep already, and obviously we are NOT! Therefore, the only way to view this constellation event, is to say it is a pointer signpost to investigate the true meanings of the words and cannot be the actual fulfillment.
Finally, another problem that comes to mind are the words of Jesus Christ. In Luke 17:20, Jesus says very clearly “The Kingdom of God cometh without observation”. This only means we are not going to see the Kingdom of God or Jesus coming with our natural eyes until it will be too late. Let us now go into the meat part of today’s Bible lesson. This subject will be about what Jesus thought and said concerning His physical mother Mary, when confronted with this subject while living in the flesh here on the physical earth.
WHO IS MY MOTHER, AND BROTHERS?
We are going to explore some far-reaching words of the LORD Jesus, to help us better understand, and confirm the true identity of the Woman in Revelation 12 as being the church. Do you remember the nursery rhyme called “Are you, my mother?” In this story a newly hatched baby bird, goes to look for his mother”. He asks everyone he meets, “are you, my mother?”. This bird goes to many different parts of God’s creation and asks each of them all the same question. He goes to a kitten, a hen, a dog, a car, and sees a plane. On and on until he is returned to his home nest where he finally meets his mother, and the mother asks “do you know who I am?” The little bird answers “yes you are my mother, and you are not a kitten, a hen, a dog, a car, or a plane, etc”.
This is an interesting child’s story, but it does have application to our subject of a child in Revelation 12. Would the child in Revelation 12, ask everyone, are you, my mother? That is what people in the church are doing? Or would he already know before his birth and proclaim, you are my mother, and you are not Israel, Mary, or anyone else that is natural flesh? It just so happens Jesus the Christ (Messiah in the flesh), answers this question of “who is my mother in Revelation 12”, long before the book would be written. But His words are possibly unknown, ignored, explained away, or completely rejected by those that have not seen, or do not want to see the truth. Let us read the real story and see what He reveals to us:
Mat 12:46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
Mat 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
These are vastly misunderstood words, that were spoken directly from the Creator God’s own mouth (John 1:1-4). If you read verse 46 carefully and thoughtfully, you discover a major problem developing with the belief of Israel and Mary being the woman in Revelation 12. Verse 46 says Jesus’ mother Mary the once virgin and Jesus’ half-brothers who were all the natural children of Israel, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah, and finally Joseph and Mary (Mat 1, & Luke 3 genealogy).
Take note what Jesus does in verse 47, after being told that His natural family members including His mother Mary, were outside the house desiring to speak with Him! Jesus, practically ignores all of them, by answering the messengers in verse 48, with a question. Jesus asked them “Who is my mother, and brothers”? Sounds like a nursery rhyme question, but instead of asking those present, are you my mother, He asks them do you know who my mother is? This was an obvious question revealing Jesus already knew His spiritual mother, since He could only be speaking spiritually, and not naturally.
Please understand, that if Jesus was speaking naturally, He must have amnesia, or some mental deficiency. Then pay attention to what Jesus’ true intention was, for this mentally challenged behavior. Jesus looks at His disciples while extending His hands toward them saying, “Behold, My mother and brothers”. WOW! Please do not ignore what Jesus just said. This is Him revealing the main reason, why He spoke and acted in this manner.
Jesus, is either a ranting lunatic or He knows something we don’t! We should believe the second. Therefore, the only logical conclusion is to settle that Jesus was speaking of a radically different mother, and brothers that were NOT of the natural nation of Israel, and Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and finally Mary. Think about it?
The natural nation of Israel was sitting all around Him. He was teaching them something radically wonderful about Himself. His natural mother and natural half-brothers were standing outside of the physical house. Respectfully, Jesus should have acknowledged Mary to be His physical birth mother and his half-brothers, to be his natural co-family members. But there is no mention of any of them. Should we call Jesus a liar? Let us look at a new verse that reveals who the natural nation of Israel believed Jesus to be:
Mar 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
What we learn from reading the natural perspective of the people of Nazareth, they believed that Jesus was the elder son of the carpenter named Joseph, and Mary. They believed Jesus had 4 younger brothers named James, Joses, Judah, and Simon. They believed he had an undeclared number of sisters. All of this was true from the natural perspective and viewpoint. Wow, could this be the reason why the people today have not seen the wisdom of God in Revelation 12 yet? I believe it is.
What we are observing in scripture are two viewpoints of the same man named Jesus. All of the natural humans were uninformed and ignorant of the truth. They believed He had a human father. They believed He was born in Nazareth. They clearly did not desire to ask any questions to learn the truth, so God in the flesh was asking them a question to help them change their perspectives. Does this apply to our study lesson today? Could their limitations of knowing who and what was possible for God be limiting their ability to receive higher spiritual truth?
It must be true, because we can notice how the Spirit of God in Jesus, was not looking upon their natural earthly perspective when He asked them the question, “Who is my mother”. WOW, I pray that we are all spiritually awake with our spiritual eyes being enlightened. Let us analyze another verse that confirms how Jesus thought spiritually at the young age of 12 years old, about his natural family:
Luke 2:48 – And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
Luke 2:49 – And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father’s business?
Take notice of this story that occurred when Jesus was only 12 years old. The natural family had traveled to Jerusalem to celebrate Passover. When they were returning home, Mary and Joseph finally noticed that the eldest son Jesus was not with them. It took them 3 days to find him and they discover him in the temple listening and teaching. When He is confronted by His mother Mary, saying “Son, why have you done this to us?” and “because your father and I have sought for you in sorrow”.
What was Mary’s perspective? It seems like in just 12 years’ time, she had let slip that her son’s father really was the Holy Spirit! Could she have become more naturally thinking, while Jesus in the same time had become more spiritually minded? We must ask this question, because Jesus’s words disagreed with His natural mother’s words. Therefore, since Jesus was God in the flesh we know His truth, is not calling Mary a liar, it is only a higher truth that trumps the natural perspective. Jesus is being well aware of His true Father’s identity when He asked them both two questions, “Why did you seek me?” and “Did you not know I had to be about my Father’s business”?
The only way to resolve this naturally viewed perspective problem found in two Bible examples of natural versus spiritual truth conflicts, is for us to change our perspectives, that these words of Jesus in Luke 2:49 and Matthew 12:49 were from a higher spiritual view of reality. This new way to see can help overcome our natural mind’s way of thinking, to be renewed to change our perspective to say and believe, Jesus is speaking spiritually and we were previously just thinking naturally from the very limited bit of spiritual knowledge that we had.
The prophet Jesus was in no doubt speaking prophetically in both statements about His spiritual family roles. In Luke 2:49, Jesus was speaking about His role on the physical earth as a physical man, to bring the spiritual Light of the Word to humans living in the flesh, and to die for all of our sins. Then in Matthew 12:49, when Jesus asked them the question, “Who is my brother and mother”, He was envisioning the future work of God after being raised from the dead, for the new coming reality only found in the New Covenant truth of the need to be born-again spiritually. Wow!
We can understand this by who Jesus is pointing to in Matthew 12:49, when He declares them to be His mother and brothers. It was impossible for these 12 men being pointed to, to be His physical mother and brothers. Therefore, we reject this natural belief immediately, to look for a new higher spiritual truth, since Jesus only speaks truth. All of these men, became the foundational members of the church body, with the exception of Judas. These are the men that would be like Paul, to be used by God to give birth to the soon coming new church members.
These were the men that when Jesus was raised from the dead in John 20:21-22, He appeared to them and said “Peace be unto you, as my Father has sent me, so I send you”. Jesus then breathed on all of them, with His mouth, and He told them to “Receive the Holy Spirit”. This was the beginning of the spiritual church body and bride of Christ. Jesus had just transferred the Spirit of God from the inside of His single Last Adam resurrected body (1 Cor 15:45), to His human disciples. They immediately received the same life-giving Spirit of Christ that He had on the inside of Him, and they were born-again. They received this gift, in order to now spread it continually to many others utilizing a spiritual new birthing process.
Now recall that we have learned in this series, that Jesus was called the firstborn from the dead (Colossians 1:8). Then in Romans 8:29, Jesus was called the first born from MANY brethren. The Bible begins to make so much more sense, when we begin to understand what God is saying from His perspective. This is the church rising to come up to a higher and more mature level of Christian spiritual life.
What we are now further confirming, is how Jesus can be called an “Everlasting Father” in Isaiah 9:6, in one prophecy. The only naturally born Son of God in another verse (John 3:16). And the “Firstborn” having many other “brothers” in Romans 8:29. God writes about the same Messiah from more than one perspective. Sometimes, He is God’s ONLY naturally born Son, and sometimes He is referred to as the first spiritually born Son of God with many other born-again believers. Not rightly dividing the Word of Truth is one of the main reasons why many Christians are confused.
This new knowledge should help us to better understand how Jesus could be looking at His disciples in Matthew 12, and call them by at least 2 different family relationships. First, Jesus will become an “Everlasting Father” to his new spiritual sons, through Him personally breathing upon them His internal Holy Spirit in John 20. Then we should be learning that these same apostles, can also be called His spiritual brothers by them being born-again of the same Holy Spirit as Christ was raised from the dead by. Jesus was their personal spiritual Father, by Him sowing the Word of God into their human spirits for 3 ½ years. Jesus claimed that they had been made clean by the washing of the water of His spoken words in John 15:3.
What we have also learned from reading Galatians 4, is that human male church members can travail in birth until Christ is formed in other humans to get them born again. Therefore, these human male disciples that were the founding members of the church body, can also give the new-birth to new spiritual children through laboring for Christ, to spread the Seed of Christ, in order for the Spirit of Christ, to come inside of each of us from generation to generation.
This concept represents one of the laws of God found in Genesis, called “the seed within itself”. God’s design of self-perpetuating natural entities like trees, plants, animals, and humans, would be extended into the spiritual realm to, and for His church to continue to grow and spread. However, God realized that humans needed His help not to mess it up, like the first Adam and He gave us His Holy Spirit on the inside to insure we do not fail.
What we are observing is the fact that Jesus in the flesh, knew His Spirit of Christ would be what is given to future added church members through the labor of those disciples that were seated with Him in the room. This is exactly why Jesus could point at them, and say “Behold my mother and brothers”. Let us now review verse 50 of Matthew 12, and learn why Jesus made this new inclusion of a new female type called sisters, in His family:
Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
There are many ignorant people that do not believe, that women should sow seeds to get anyone else saved. But according to Jesus the Christ, the Head of the Church, this is NOT what He was teaching the founding members of His body. Notice Jesus begins by saying “WHOSOEVER shall do the will of my FATHER!”. This is an all-inclusive statement including male, and female, bond or free, Jew or Greek”. Let us continue to learn by reading some important information to what is being taught now:
1Co 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Notice what the Holy Spirit said in these verses. In Verse 12, He compares the naturally created human body that is made up of trillions of individual cells all being called by one name, is the same as the body of Christ being made up of millions and billions of individual human believers, with all of them being called Christ. Wow! We are ONE in Him. But these verses did not mention females. This is corrected in the letter to the Galatians:
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Paul must have obtained a new revelation from Jesus, because his statement to Corinth has been dramatically enhanced to include female humans into the same body of Christ. We can see how this new statement potentially resolves a possible issue found in Matthew 12:50, where Jesus had included both HIS brothers, and HIS sisters, to be called HIS same spiritual mother.
We must stop thinking on such a limited natural mindset. ALL Christians, are much more in Christ, than many have realized. Too many Christians are limiting what God can do with anyone that chooses to be “in Christ”, and who also lets “Christ live in them”. Every believer whether male or female, has been given the exact same great commission to go into all of the world and preach the Gospel as His physical body living on the earth (Mark 16:15).
Thank you so very much, for spending your valuable time to read this essential end-time spiritual prophetic Bible study. We have just been presented some radical new spiritual information that was taught by Jesus to the church about who this Revelation 12 woman represents, in the spiritual mind and view of God. Today, Christians have been largely ignoring these words of Christ and it is past time for this to cease. We must stop seeing the Revelation 12 male child to be the physical man Jesus, who was actually the one that was speaking in Matthew 12 to reveal to us the truth. Since they have jumped to the conclusion that the child is natural Jesus that would die on the cross, they further the confusion by claiming the woman standing on the moon and clothed with the Sun is Israel.
However, the Holy Spirit inside of Jesus, through the omniscient foreknowledge of God was inspired by Him, to teach us some important clues about the coming future book of Revelation in Matthew. Because God foreknew Christians today would struggle to see the true identity of the woman in Revelation 12 to be the church, He answered all of our questions, with us saying “how can this pregnancy be, seeing we know not a man”, just like Mary was asking the angel, and He did this long before we asked Him the question. Wow! Praise the LORD, what a God we serve!
What we are learning today, is if we are a spiritual woman who is pregnant and laboring to be delivered, then the pregnancy, the child, the labor, the delivery are also all spiritual truths, and not physical truths. The spiritual truths of God, still trumps the natural truths of man every time. Remember what Jesus said, “I only speak what I hear my Father say” (John 12:49).
Jesus, when asked to speak to His earthly mother and brothers, makes one of the most radical statements found in the Bible. To the human mind dominated by natural reasoning Jesus sounded crazy, when He pointed to His human male disciples, and called them His mother and brothers. In the natural these men were neither.
At the very same time, Jesus totally ignored Mary and the natural nation of Israel brothers that were standing outside of the house. Don’t you think that God in the flesh, knew exactly what He was saying, and doing at this dramatic moment of time? Can you see how He was helping us to understand something before we even knew that we needed to understand it? Isn’t this the nature of our God? Doesn’t He already provide for us everything that we need before we need it? This would be the nature of a God, who knows that you need before you even ask!
Did the first man Adam, and his natural wife have to starve and wait for a year before they had physical fruit to eat? Why then would the second and last Adam, and His wife the church, need to wait for our spiritual food of life to eat from? Glory to God!
Hopefully, everyone can begin to see how Jesus’ perspective was on a higher spiritual dimension of thought and reason. This is the way that we should begin to think more consistently. God said in Isaiah 55:8, “My thoughts are not your thoughts”. Do you believe He said this to demean us, or do you think that He could be challenging us to come up higher and think like Him? It should be obvious because He is love that He is only challenging us to think His way. Thank you, Jesus!
Thank you for taking the time to read and study the Bible with us. We love you very much, regardless of if you agree with us or not. God loves you the same whether you agree with Him or not also. But yet God wants us all to rise above the natural human level of perspective. Hopefully, the LORD has helped us all to do this.