The True Identity of the Woman in Revelation 12! Pt 5

(Ver 1.1)  In my last blog I went into verses found in Revelation 12 that described qualities and features of the woman.  These descriptive terms spoke of those that overcame with the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony, those that kept the commandments of God and those who possessed the testimony of Jesus Christ.  I provided a number of verses that all demonstrate these qualities are describing the church.  I also said that in this blog that I would start the process of identifying the man child that this woman in Revelation 12 delivers.  I do not think that I will be able to get to everything that I wanted to today, but we will get there eventually.  This is now the fifth part of a series of lessons on the “True Identity of the Woman in Revelation 12” and if you have not read them from the beginning I would strongly suggest that you go back and start with Part 1.

First, I want to briefly address a difficult comparison without going into a lot details about the subject.  In other verses in chapter 12 we can clearly see that the woman is persecuted by Satan.  We can see a hatred and anger directed at the woman.  Satan is said to be at war with this woman.  I believe those statements can and do apply to both Israel and the Church equally and is therefore is one reason why people have said this woman in Revelation 12 must be natural Israel.  However, from my study in the Bible, there are two completely different reasons why Satan is persecuting these women.  Both of these reasons revolve around Satan being motivated by a need for self-preservation.  If you haven’t figure it out, Satan knows that his time is short (Rev 12:12).  He is doing everything that he can to stop the plan of God and save himself from being cast into hell.  I could go into this in much more depth, but I believe I will save that for possibly a future Bibles study topic.  Just keep in mind that both women are being persecuted by Satan so both qualify based upon that to be the woman in Revelation 12.  But, as we have seen in other verses in this chapter everything must line up in order to conclude the true identity of the woman.  We can’t just take a part of the chapter and say this is this woman based upon a part of the chapter and leave the rest out.  That is why I will now try to continue to explore the subject of why the woman is pregnant? 

This of course will be something new, as if nothing that I have said is something new.  Oh well, here we go.  Let me start by giving you the possible candidates for the identity of the male child in Revelation 12, some of these you have heard before and others you probably have not:

  1.  The natural male Jesus born in Bethlehem.
  2. The Risen Savior Jesus Christ born from Above
  3. The Spirit of God

As you can tell by my list of candidates, the child can only be God in some manifested form.  I am convinced that the child cannot be anyone else, but God.  So let us do some logical analysis of the verse in Revelation 12 that speak about this birth of a male child.

If the symbolic woman is a spiritual reality like I believe she is, being the church, then the child also has to be a spiritual child and not a physical child.  That is just basic logic and it is also what the Word of God says.   Jesus himself, said that which is born of flesh is flesh and that which is born of spirit is spirit (John 3:6).  Taking what Jesus said we can see that this woman has to be either one natural woman with a natural child or one spiritual woman with a spiritual child and you can’t mix them up.  If you try to mix them up you violate God’s Word!  You can’t have a spiritual woman giving birth to a physical child and you can’t have a natural woman giving birth to a spiritual child.  So who or what was Jesus born as?  Of course Jesus was born as a natural physical male child in Bethlehem from the natural physical woman called Mary.  The Bible says the Word was made flesh (John 1:14).  Jesus was born of the flesh as a natural man.  So Jesus was a physical man born of the flesh, even though he was still the Son of God.   Jesus always made a point of calling himself the “son of Adam” or the “son of Man”.  If you have read my other blogs you already know that “Adam” and “man” are the same Hebrew word.  So if it is as most Bible teachers have declared, that this child in Revelation 12 is Jesus the Christ, if that is true then we are forced to conclude that the symbolic woman has to be Mary his natural physical mother.  You see that which is born of flesh (Mary) is flesh (Jesus).  I don’t know if you are following my logic or not.  Me, being a computer programmer I am a highly logical thinker and God uses this to teach me things in the Bible.   If you are not a logical thinker then you are probably struggling with this paragraph.   What you should take away from this discussion is this, if this child in Rev 12 is Jesus the natural man he had to be born of a natural woman called Mary.  Then you have to look at every other verse in the chapter and determine how Mary could fit in with that interpretation.  If you are very smart you can immediately see that Mary doesn’t fit with any of the other descriptive qualities of the woman in Revelation 12, other than being a woman and being pregnant with a male child and that is just a small part of the whole knowledge revealed about this woman.

Next, we have to determine if the child is the risen Lord Jesus.  The Bible says that Jesus the risen Savior was born from above.  Jesus is called the firstborn from the dead (Col 1:18).  Jesus himself said that a man must be born again in order to see the kingdom of God (Jo 3:3).  Knowing that Jesus is a man, he must include himself into that statement.  Jesus being God in the flesh is forced to abide by His own statement of truth.  Jesus said a man must be born again or He cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.  So we have to conclude that Jesus was the first one born again from the dead.  It is just a simple fact, any man in heaven must have been spiritually born again in order to get there.  I know this is a difficult side trip, but one that has spiritual significance if you can see it.  If the child is a spiritual child, like I believe it is, then the mother has to be a spiritual mother and a spiritual wife.  I told you the Bible was complicated and there are many potential interpretations, but still only one truth.  Let us therefore strive to understand the truth.

So can a spiritual woman have spiritual children?  Of course she can and here is the scriptural precedence for that statement:

Rev 1:5  And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Jesus in this verse is called the first born from the dead.  This is obviously a spiritual birth and not a natural birth, yes?   If Jesus is born of the Spirit, then that demands by logical deduction the existence of a spiritual mother.  That which is born of spirit is spirit!  Some have tried to conclude that the woman in Revelation is the Spirit of God.  But I have bad news for you, God is not a woman.  God does not give birth as a female.  God is the male, the Father, the Husband and the man in every covenant relationship.  If you try to think otherwise, you are wrong.  There is a very strong implication in thinking about Jesus being the firstborn from the dead, that a spiritual woman existed, prior to the resurrection of Jesus in order to  give birth to him.  This also shows us that a spiritual woman also existed prior to the church.  This woman is assumed to be mature enough to give birth to children.   Are you following my logic?  These are all awesome statements of truth.  So who is this woman that is mature enough to give birth to a risen Lord Jesus Christ?   Here is another verse that God gives us in Romans that sheds more light on the subject:

Rom 8:29  For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Again we see Jesus called the firstborn, but this time it says there is a second born, a third born and on and on we go.  It actually says Jesus has many spiritual brothers and sisters.  What we see is another implied reference to a spiritual woman that gives birth to these spiritual children.  This is such an important concept to fully grasp and understand.  Now let us figure out who this mature spiritual woman is that gave birth to all of these spiritual children:

Gal 4:26  But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

This of course is a scripture that has been bypassed for lack of understanding for a very long time.  We can see that this verse is speaking to the church directly so we can conclude that the church are the spiritual children that is being referred to.  If we apply the logic that only spirit beings can have spiritual babies, then the woman mentioned here, this Jerusalem has to be a mature spiritual woman.  We can also see the location of this woman as being somewhere above.  Meaning it is not the earthly Jerusalem or any other place on our planet.  Now some might try to conclude that this is the New Jerusalem, but it cannot be.  You see I haven’t told you directly yet, but the church is the New Jerusalem.  By using basic logic, a mother has to exist prior to having children.  A woman does not give birth to herself.   If Jesus was the firstborn from the dead, his spiritual mother had to exist prior to that birth.   If the church is the new Jerusalem, there is no way it could be the mother of Jesus, this woman is said to be his wife in Revelation 21:2.   If you continue to read chapter 4 of Galatians you can see that two different Jerusalem’s are mentioned.   One is said to be a type of Hagar and she is called the “earthly Jerusalem”.  The other Jerusalem from above is called a type of Sarah.  Both of these women were Abraham’s wife and I don’t have time to explain that, just go study your Bible.  If the earthly Jerusalem is called “Hagar” she is the younger woman and Sarah the Jerusalem from above is the much older barren woman.   In this story of Abraham, Sarah was around 90 years old when she had her first child.  Sarah is therefore the woman that has been around for much longer than Hagar.  These are all valid types and patterns that I know is difficult to grasp at first.  So what is this Jerusalem that is above?  We can see another reference to this woman in Hebrews:

Heb 12:22  But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

You can clearly see that this city Jerusalem is said to be the city of the living God.  It is the current location of heaven where God has His throne.  This city as it says in this verse in comprised of an innumerable company of angels.  These were the only spiritual beings in the city prior to Jesus’ resurrection.  What we see is a pattern being given to us of a spiritual city, with a heavenly location with a lot of angels in it.  This is the spiritual mother of Jesus and the church.  This woman existed a long time before the earthly Jerusalem ever existed.  At Jesus’ birth the New Jerusalem did not exist so we know that this woman cannot be either of these two Jerusalem’s.  Here again are the cities that we have just identified:

  1. The Earthly Jerusalem
  2. The Heavenly Jerusalem
  3. The New Jerusalem

So what we have is the clear reference in the Bible to three completely different cities, all called Jerusalem and all three in covenant relationship with God at some point in time.  I know this is complicated and totally new to most of you, but you don’t know everything that I do and I can’t teach you everything that I know all at once.  What you need to realize is that there is a spiritual woman called the heavenly Jerusalem that has given birth to a spiritual daughter called the New Jerusalem and both of these women are not related to the earthly Jerusalem.  The next thing that you should realize is that, if one spiritual woman can have children, then another spiritual woman can also have children.  This is in fact a very significant statement to consider.  If the woman in Revelation 12 gives birth to a spiritual being, she has to be a spiritual woman.   The natural nation of Israel is a natural woman and not a spiritual woman.  The natural nation of Israel is a pattern for the church a spiritual woman in covenant with Jesus Christ.  I know I have a lot of explaining to do and hopefully I will get to it in a future blog.  I know I did not discuss my third candidate possibility yet either.  This child in Revelation 12 could still be the Spirit of God, but why would it be necessary for the spirit of God to be born from a new spiritual mother?  That is a very interesting question to consider.

If you would like to continue reading this series of lessons, please continue to “Part 6“.

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About agapegeek

Using the Bible to understand the Bible! Advanced Bible study for mature Chrisitians who want to grow.

Posted on December 8, 2009, in Bible Study, Chapter 12, Revelation and tagged , , , , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. Leave a comment.

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