The True Identity of the Woman in Revelation 12! Pt 6

family_tree_God(Ver 2.3)  This is now Part 6 in a series of very advanced study in the Bible, exploring the True Identity of the Woman in Revelation 12.  In the last lesson, we learned a tremendous amount of new Bible facts and concepts to think about and study.  I know there are good people that still are not yet convinced.  It is very difficult and challenging to teach a complex subject. Especially,  one that can be totally new to everyone.  When teaching a new subject, I feel led to give enough Bible reasons (scriptures) for everything that is taught to eliminate doubts.  Every teacher should feel the same way.  But, we only can do this in a limited time and space format on the internet.  It is very similar to many church services.  The attention span of some people seems to have limits.    So we should try to balance not taking up too much of your Bible study time, with providing enough detail in the lesson to confirm everything that is taught.  I often leave out a lot of scriptures that could have been included.  If you are a pastor, you may know the challenge I am talking about.  If you have not been following this series from the beginning, I would strongly recommend that you go back and start reading with Part 1.

 

SPIRITUAL PATTERNS REVIEW

I do not wish to rehash every previous lesson in the series.  But, please allow me to approach this subject of the identity of our child suspect, in a different way than you might expect.  I believe we are beginning to learn from the Biblical evidence that only the church matches the patterns of the Revelation 12 woman’s complete description.   The facts presented so far should at least cause us to favor the woman’s identity to represent the church.  As we should have realized by analyzing God’s Word and His covenant wives, there are only a few women in the Bible that she could be.  Therefore, I want to go into a view of the already seen Biblical patterns.

If you recall there are only three covenant wives mentioned in relation to God in the Bible.  We were introduced to these women in Part 1 and then we went through an overview of these women in the last lesson.  We should now understand, how God the Father married a woman that represented a type of Hagar.  This allegorical Hagar represented the natural nation of Israel (the earthly Jerusalem) in the Old Covenant (Jer 31:32).  Therefore we it is logical to ask “can God the Father have a Son through these natural people?”  Obviously, He did and He called His name Jesus, because He will save His people from their sins (Mat 1:21).  Therefore, Israel in general appears to qualify to be a wife and could be stretched to be pregnant.  But, to be more specific, it was literally the single woman Mary, that gave birth to the only naturally born Son of God.  So Mary appears to be a closer match and greater qualified to be the pregnant wife in Revelation 12.

Then we learned of the free covenant wife of God the Father, that was a type of Sarah (Gal 4:26).  This woman represented the more mature original barren wife of God.  She is allegorically called the Jerusalem Above.  We also discovered that this spiritual woman gave birth to the the risen from the dead Lord Jesus and the church (Gal 4:28).  Therefore, this heavenly woman qualifies to be the pregnant wife in Revelation 12 also.  We are not really narrowing our suspect list significantly, by focusing only on this single quality of being pregnant and in covenant.  That is exactly why, I started teaching this series on other important truths.  This focus was to reveal the meanings of the Sun, moon and stars.

But, we haven’t viewed the fourth suspect.  She is the church.  We learned that she is married and in a brand new covenant with the risen from the dead savior Jesus Christ.  Next, we already asked and answered the question, can the Church’s husband have any spiritual children?  I think you may have been surprised to find, according to the Bible, He can.  Jesus was called the “Everlasting Father” in the Isaiah 9:6 prophecy.  In fact God wrote that Jesus would be a child, a son and then become the Everlasting Father all in the same verse.  Wow, that sounds important.  This is a repeated pattern found over and over in the Bible.

We have just confirmed in the scripture that Jesus is designated to be or become a Father as well as the Son of God.  This verse will at least leave open the door to learning how this future male child that will rule nations with a rod of iron in Revelation 12, can be called the Son of Jesus.  Wow, I probably just rocked your theological religious boat. , But please hang-in there with me, until we have read the rest of the lesson.  We are about to discover some Bible verses that we may have never seen, understood or applied.

 

PATTERN FOUNDATIONAL FUNDAMENTALS

Let us first start with some fundamental basics that we should already know and understand about the Bible and the Godhead.  Matthew 1:18 clearly informs us that the virgin Mary was espoused to Joseph.  But, before they “came together” (had sexual intercourse), she was found to already be pregnant by the Holy Ghost.  I pray that we can all agree that the Holy Ghost is the same as God the Father, but in the form of the third person of the Triune Godhead.  It is very important from this information that we conclude, that it is possible for the Holy Spirit to impregnate a physical natural woman through His spoken Word (seed).   I believe that this fact of truth will become a natural pattern on a higher level, for the pregnant spiritual woman found in Revelation 12.

What are patterns and why are they important for Bible study?  I try to emphasize this reality because of what we learn in Ecclesiastes 1:9.  In this verse is where God states “The thing that has been is that which shall be; and that which has been done is that which shall be done; there is NOTHING NEW under the sun”.  Now remember who we have previously discovered the symbolic Sun represents and keep that in your mind.  A light bulb should have just popped on inside of you that this verse is related to Jesus very specifically.  God does not select words by random choice.  God could have said “there is nothing new under heave” or he could have said,  “there is nothing new under anything else”.  I hope you didn’t miss the significance of God’s choice for “sun”.  God just prophesied something so profound that it is amazing to me.  I believe God just taught us that what was to come in Jesus, previously happened in patterns that were already done in the past.  And I believe these could be natural patterns or spiritual patterns and maybe even both dimensions.

A pattern is nothing but a repeated recognizable form.  When tailors make a dress they create a repeatable pattern design.  The material is then selected and cut out from the designed pattern.  Then the individual parts/pieces are sown together to create the dress.  Every dress that comes from the same pattern can be recognized as being from the original pattern by a trained observant eye.   What we learn from natural patterns, is “good things by design are repeated”.  It is a common sense approach that teaches us, what worked before will work again even if it is changed slightly.  According to God’s Word, He uses good working established patterns.  Also these divine patterns can be transferred from the spiritual into the natural realm and then even return back to the spiritual (Heb 8:5, Heb 9:23).  We should all begin to recognize God’s repetition of patterns in the Bible.  Every time we read the Bible we should do it using a trained eye looking for patterns of repetition.  Especially when it comes to understanding prophecy.  Now let’s get into a few more basic fundamental patterns.

We should also know that Jesus is the Son of God (Mat 16:16), the second person of the triune Godhead.  The Trinity of God being comprised of the Father (Jn 14:11), the Son (1 Jn 5:20) also known as the Word (Rev 19:13) and the Holy Spirit (Gal 4:6, 1 John 5:7).  These three unique personalities make up the One True Living God (1 John 5:7).   These are all three personalities of the same Spiritual Being; they in union represent One God.

Therefore, we can view the Trinity as being three different manifestations of the One God for unique purposes at varying times.   We just learned in Matthew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 that the Holy Spirit caused the virgin Mary to become pregnant.  These are two verses that declare the Father, the Word & the Holy Spirit’s work in producing the male child in the virgin woman Mary.  Therefore the Holy Spirit must be the same as the Father God and the Word.   So let’s continue our study by confirming some basic information that God (who is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit) can be called a Father in the Bible corporately  or in each of His separate manifested states of existence:

Heb 12:6  For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7  If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8  But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Heb 12:9  Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live

We can clearly read that God is called the “Father of spirits” in verse 9 of Hebrews 12.  These words inspired by the Holy Spirit are very appropriate to our subject study of God being called a male Father.  Two names of God are given in this context the first “Lord” (G2962) and the second “God” (G2316).

We should immediately try to determine who are these spirits that God is said to be the Father of.  We should notice that these verses are comparing 1) natural birthed sons and fathers to the much greater spiritual birthed sons and Father.  We have just discovered a new relationship, that these two different realms are made from the similar pattern.  We need to realize that every human being is a spirit being.  Humans are a spirit that reside temporarily in a body possessing an internal soul (mind, will and emotions) (1 Thes 5:23).

By logical reasoning, we deduce that this verse in Hebrews 12:9, at the least implies that every spirit has their origin from God.  We can say this includes every spirit of every human man, woman and child on the planet.  But, I would also say that this includes every angelic or demonic spirit that exists also.  All of these are spirit beings, and had to originate from God, the Father of spirits since they did not create themselves.  That to me is just basic logic.

We have already examined the Biblical fact that Jesus the Son of God was born of a natural woman.  Therefore we can clearly see that God the Father can also have natural physical children, if He desires.  In Luke 1:37 God says “With Him nothing shall be impossible”.    But, remember what we learned in the last lesson.  God says in John 3:16 that Jesus was the “Only begotten Son”.  We learned from the Greek word (G3439) definition that “begotten” means the only physically born son.  This Greek word G3439 is used in 9 verses in the New Testament and they all mean “the only natural born child”.  It is used this way to describe a man in Luke 7:12 that Jesus raised from the dead.  It is also used this way for an only daughter that was raised from the dead by Jesus in Luke 8:42.

Feel free to go and study this Greek word usage for yourself.  Jesus was the only physically born Son of God is very important.  This teaches us that God is not going to have any more physically born natural mortal children that can die, ever again!  Mary was the only virgin birth that God the Father will ever participate in by His admission.

 

GOD TO ADAM PATTERNS

God the Father is said to be the Father of spirits.  Can God the Son also be a Father of spirits?  We know that Jesus was a 100% natural male and was the 100% supernatural God.  We all should know that Genesis 1:26 says “let us make man in our image and after our likeness”.  This is an amazing statement.  Who is “our” referring to in this verse?  I believe it is a plural pronoun referring to God the Father, God the Son/Word and God the Holy Spirit.  This would at least imply that we should be able to see patterns of God in Adam and potentially vice versa.  Adam is called a son of God in the Luke 3:38, the genealogy of Jesus.  This genealogy is very profound to our study.  God teaches us from Jesus’ lineage that He was a 100% Son of Adam (man) simultaneously being the 100% Son of God.  This confirms how Jesus can be 100% human of the flesh and 100% God in His Spirit.

But, notice what we find in the geneaology of Adam given in Genesis 5.  In this description we see how Adam passed his likeness given to him from God (a spiritual pattern) down to his natral children (a natural pattern).  Since the pattern of Adam is implied to be passed down from generation to generation, this means it is still in effect when Jesus was born from one of Adam’s descendants named “Mary”.  The Luke 3 genealogy is that of Mary.    This is important because it makes what Adam did or could have done, remain possible for Jesus.

Therefore, as a 100% male human, Jesus must have been physically capable of having natural children in the normal way with a natural woman.  But, just because some deceived people have tried to claim that Jesus had sex with a natural woman on the earth and fathered a child, please do not be so easily deceived by them.  I am not going to dignify these false claims by naming anyone that claims this falsity.  Jesus never had any natural children on the earth.  If He had done this, we would be in serious trouble because this would cause scripture that we depend upon as being truthful to become a lie.

For example, Jesus was called the “ONLY begotten Son of God” as we have read.  Then if He had physically produced natural children that would violate John 3:16.  This is because He is still God (Emmanuel=God with us).  If God in the flesh has another natural born/begotten mortal child then the “ONLY” begotten fails the test of truth.  I pray you understand what was stated.  The Bible does not contradict itself nor does the words of a man or a prophet contradict the Bible.  If words spoken to be truth do not agree with scriptures, throw them in the garbage.  Let’s get back on subject.

But, let us revisit  the other spiritual possibilities.  Can Jesus now in heaven, the second member of the Trinity, now have a spiritual child and become a new Spiritual Father?  I think that is an interesting concept to consider especially in light of reading Isaiah 6:9.  The only way Jesus could be an Eternal Father is for Him to produce an eternal son.  This would only be possible in the spirit realm.  We are touching on some very deep thought subjects.

Think of what we are studying this way, God created natural physical things as a view or pattern into the originating spiritual pattern dimension (Rom 1:20).  According to God everything in the natural originated from the spiritual dimension and will return to the spiritual dimension in the end.  These naturally created things that we can see around us are shadows,  types or patterns of spiritual things that we cannot see or fully comprehend.  However, these natural things point us to and give us glimpses into, a realm of unseen spiritual possibilities.

These hidden spiritual possibilities are difficult to fully comprehend with our physical eyes and senses unless we understand natural things better.  Jesus said in John 3:12 “If I have told you earthly things and you believe not, how then will you believe if I tell you of heavenly things?”  Can we understand that Jesus through teaching  natural truths, He was giving us understanding of greater more significant heavenly spiritual truths?  These are all just repeatable patterns of God’s design.  I pray that you are receiving what I believe is being said by the Holy Spirit in this lesson.

 

ADAM TO JESUS PATTERNS

So what patterns did God create in this natural world?  We obviously cannot address them all in one lesson, but we can narrow our focus into our main topic subject of the woman and her child in Revelation 12.  How will these created patterns help us understand this concept of spiritual pregnancy, birth pains, birth and children?  I still am unable to cover the entire single subject matter in this lesson.  But we will go into some of the important points, the best that we can.

We will start again with God’s created pattern of Adam and Eve in the beginning of Genesis 1 and 2.   They represent the initiating father and mother natural pattern of the entire human race.  I believe we must remember what we learned in the last lessons about Sarah being a patterned Allegorical figure of a pre-existing heavenly woman (Gal 4).  It was this heavenly woman that we are given to be the church’s spiritual mother.  All of this information is a repeated patterns hidden in Adam and Eve.  The natural Adam and Eve family pattern was also done before, but previously it was done in the spirit realm.  Remember, “there is nothing new under the sun” whether it is the natural physical sun or the symbolic spiritual Sun of God.

Through Adam and Eve’s procreation, they no doubt produced a lot of male and female children (Gen 5:4).  Certainly, we know from reading Genesis 4, Cain and Abel came from Adam and Eve, followed by Seth.  Keep in mind that these two natural first parents were patterns of hidden spiritual than came before them as well as the things to come after them.  If you read Romans 5:14 carefully, you will learn that Adam was a pattern of Jesus.  The Greek word G5179 was translated as “figure”.  But this Greek word literally means a “die”, “model”, or “pattern”.  This G5179 is very similar to H1823 that was translated as “likeness” in Genesis 1:26.  H1823 means a “model” a parallel to G5179 definition.  Wow, I hope you see what the Lord is teaching us.

What we can see is that God created the first Adam as a “model” or “pattern” of “Himself the Spiritual Father” and this same “model” is passed down to the future “Jesus”.  Therefore we should be able to understand that the recorded Bible events that occurred with Adam all can apply to what God might have done before Adam as well as what could reoccur with the Last Adam, Jesus (1 Cor 15:45).  There is truly nothing new under the Sun.

You might ask “What events in Genesis might relate to what could reoccur with  Jesus?”  That is a great question.  First, Adam’s bride was taken out of his side.  Isn’t it amazing the Jesus was thrust through on His side hanging on the cross and blood and water poured out of Him?  I do not believe that was a coincidence.  I believe the outpouring of the blood and water from Jesus on the cross represented the church bride coming out of His side.  Do you recall what Paul wrote in Galatians 2:20?  Paul said “I have been crucified with Christ and it is no longer I that lives but Christ that lives in me…”.   If you do not understand what is being spoken of here, you are missing out on understanding a huge spiritual mystery being revealed to us in Ephesians 5.

In Ephesians 5:22-33 God goes over the law of marriage covenant relationship between husbands and wives.  In verse 31, God actually quotes Genesis 2:24 from the context of taking Eve out of Adam side, expressing the first marriage to be a pattern  “For this reason shall a man leaven his father and mother and shall be joined to his wife and the two shall become one flesh”.  I have other Bible lesson on this subject, so please go read these for more detail.  But, what I am trying to teach in short, is the fact that all of this in chapter 2 of Genesis pertaining to Adam is a pattern or model of Christ and the Church, according to Ephesians 5:32.  Let’s move on to the specific topic of children now.

If Adam knew Eve and she conceived a son as Genesis 4:1 tells us, can it be possible that this is also a pattern for Jesus and His bride?  I believe with all of my heart that it is.  However, this marriage covenant relationship is spiritual by God’s design between Jesus and the church and not physical.  Remember what Jesus says in Matthew to those that thought they knew Jesus?

Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

This is very important for us all to know!  Jesus said many will think they know me and they have even called me LORD.  But I will say to them, I never KNEW you, depart!  Adam desired to KNOW and have intimate physical relationship with his wife.  It appears that this pattern reoccurs with Jesus KNOWING His bride in the New Covenant.  There are a lot of people that believe they are Christians and do great things in His name.  But according to Jesus they will not enter into the kingdom of God because they are not KNOWN by Him!  This teaches us that Jesus desires an intimate spiritual relationship with His bride.  If this type of intimacy produces natural children, could it be possible that this occurs in the spiritual?  I believe it does because, we read in past lessons about Paul travailing in birth until Christ was formed in other church members (Gal 4).  Paul was attempting to get other people to KNOW what he KNEW and this would result in a spiritual birth.  This birth produced a new spiritual child in another human.  Isn’t God amazing?

We learned previously that whatever is spiritual must produce or birth spiritual offspring.  I’m praying that you are following all of this deep information.  But, I’m not through yet.  I want us to think of something else that is important and probably new to you.

 

GOD’S NEW NATURAL & SPIRITUAL FAMILY PATTERN

Do you remember what God said to the church in 2 Corinthians?  Let’s read it to refresh our memory:

2Co 5:17  Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

This is an amazing verse that I cannot fully teach today.  Notice that I underlined the words that are actually in the Greek and not the italicized words that were added by the translators.  Now, read the underlined words only.  It would say “if any man in Christ a new creation: old things are passed away; behold all things are become new.”  That is an amazing truth displaying Jesus to be the “new creation”.  We the church becomes a part of this new creation if we are IN HIM.   Therefore, Jesus was made a new creation that never existed before.  If we remain in Him and Him in us, we are included in that new creation work.  Why would this be important?  I have taught this truth in other lessons, but I will give you are quick overview of why this was essential for the plan of God.

Jesus being raised from the dead and becoming the “first born” separates Himself from every previous covenant that God had ever made with anyone.  Remember “death” is a legal separation from a covenant marriage.  We learn this by reading Romans 7:1-4.  Paul writing to Jewish believers in these verses claims they are bound under the law to their first covenant with God.  But, then teaches in verse 4, because Jesus died they have been released of that covenant to be married to another, the risen Lord Jesus.  Wow, this is so important to understand.

What we learn from this teaching is that when Jesus died He not only separated God from the Old Covenant, He must have also separated Himself from the Angelic covenant with Lucifer.  Now legally God is not bound to keep His covenant with either.  Natural Israel is free now to be saved from hell by believing in Jesus.  Satan/Lucifer is not open to entering into any New Covenant with the risen Jesus.   Therefore Satan and his angels are headed to hell at the end of man’s 7000 year history and the book of Revelation fulfillment.

We are about to learn more about how God uses patterns.  But we must never forget that He can also do something brand new if He so desires.  Jesus becoming a new creation was a shock to Satan.  This is exactly why Paul wrote 1 Cor 2:8 “which none of the princes of this world knew, for if they had known they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory”.  The Bible should be making more sense when you learn these previously hidden truths.  I believe the death and shedding of blood of Jesus on the cross saved us.  But, I believe that it was the resurrection of Jesus from the dead that transferred saved people (those that wanted to believe and confess Him as Lord) that made us a new creation in Jesus Christ.  Let’s move on to a new discussion.

In the last section we ended with the topic of intimacy between a covenant husband and wife.  The word “in” is a major part of both physical and spiritual intimacy.  I’m not going to explain that I believe you know what that means.  Just understand there are a lot of verses in the N.T. that claim we should be “in” Christ and Christ should be “in” us.  That represents spiritual intimacy.  What does it mean to be “in” Christ?  It includes a lot but it should include us studying the Bible more than occasionally.  It should also include us praying and seeking to hear His voice.  But, that is getting us off the next subject.  The main part of the verse emphasis should be that Jesus is a New Creation.  That implies a lot of new things for us to consider.

God created the family of Adam and Eve as a separate and independent new family unit. This new family unit was modeled after God’s pre-established family unit in Heaven.   As we know now Adam was created as a natural pattern who represented a new natural father to every natural living human being on this planet.  Adam should be called the father of the entire human race.  We learn a principle in the Bible that whatever happened to Adam, happens to everyone that comes from Adam  in 1 Cor 15:22.  We were all “in” Adam when he sinned therefore, death passed to every human (Rom 5:12).  This is further confirmation to what was taught earlier.  We were crucified with Christ because we were “in” Christ and sprang forth out of Him.

We all know that Adam had a child through Eve.  This I believe is future pattern of the Last Adam Jesus that was to come.  There is a spiritual truth being given to us here that anything that happens to your father is passed down and has happened to every descendant of their father.  We can learn this by us inheriting the law of sin and death from our original father Adam.  We can confirm this as now being “in” Christ to be crucified with Him.  Wow, this concept is amazing.  This knowledge literally shook me to the core of my being when God revealed it to me.  We can find a great confirming witness in Hebrews 7:9-10.  In these verses God’ reveals to us that Levi paid tithes “in” his great-grandfather Abraham three generations before him.  This occurred because Levi was one sperm inside of Abraham that created the descendant Levi.  Wow, wow, wow!

That was a major clue to why Satan should not have killed Jesus Christ, if you didn’t understand it.   Our current subject is really focused upon spiritual fathers and their sons and how they can have children because they were made in the likeness of their father.  Just as God was the Father of Adam and Adam took a wife and had a son, so I believe God the Father gave birth to Jesus through Mary to have a Son named Jesus.  And this Son has the same potential to have His own Son like Adam.  Can you see what I am proposing for your evaluation, consideration and study?  I do hope you are following my logic and that you understand the concepts of patterns.  But, let us take a look at what the Bible says, here are some interesting verses that pertain to our current subject:

Eph 2:18  For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19  Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

These verses in Ephesians give us two valuable further conformations, first that God is a Father and that He also has a family.  Previously at creation in Genesis 1 God’s household was comprised of a family of spiritual beings in heaven.  I believe that these heavenly patterns were representative of the patterns that He implemented and passed down to be followed by Adam and Eve’s household and family structure here on the earth.   I believe that Adam’s family was a natural family with natural parents giving birth to natural children and this is what had occurred in heaven previously.  I then believe this pattern was passed further down the line into the life Jesus to repeat again concerning a new spiritual family.  I’ll talk about this from the Bible next and give you scriptures to confirm it.

Now let’s explore this logic scripturally and see if it holds water and passes God’s litmus test.  We need to see if there are any scriptures that speak about Jesus being a father.  Let’s start this analysis with this scripture in Hebrews:

Heb 3:6  But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

When I read this verse I almost missed what it was saying.  It is so interesting that I studied it for a long time until God showed me what it was really saying.  You see this verse is speaking of Jesus our Lord, the Son of God.  This verse declares that Jesus has established a new house.  This is a new house that did not exist before just like the New Covenant had never existed before either.  But what does it mean when it says house?   A new house implies a new family.  In fact if you look up the Greek word (G3624) translated as “house” is defined in the Strong’s that it figuratively means “a family”.

Why did the Father God have the need to establish a new spiritual family through Jesus Christ?  Apparently there was some major flaws and problems with the old spiritual family of God.  Without getting into too many of the details, because I would have to write you a book, we need to realize that God’s spiritual family included all of the spiritual beings, angels, Michael, Gabriel, and Satan (Lucifer) and his demons prior to Jesus coming and dying on the cross.  We should have learned a lot about this subject in the last lesson in the series.

Remember that the Bible says that Satan would not have crucified Jesus if he had known the consequences for killing him (1 Cor 2:8).  You can learn from that scripture that something happened on the cross to cause Satan to be very unhappy with the outcome of the death of Jesus Christ on the cross.  Something happened that affected him directly and personally.  What I will say in this lesson is that Satan lost his home in heaven an this is finally put into effect in Revelation 12 the exact chapter that we are studying.  Can you see the connections being made and how the Bible just all fits together to tell one story using dispersed clues?   I wish I could go into all of this in more depth but I just don’t have the time right now.  I did give you a major clue earlier on this subject so I hope you can put the pieces together and seek the answers for yourself or you can wait until I have time to get into it later.

So we can see from Hebrews 3:6 that Jesus has established a completely new family unit for God.  Let me ask you this basic question, that I guess many don’t know in the world today, but what constitutes a family?  What is a family defined as?   What does a family unit consist of?   I believe according to the Bible definition, a family is a man and his wife and their children.  If you try to define a family any other way, you are wrong.  Hollywood and television want to redefine marriage and modern families.  There is even a new TV show called Modern Family that promotes the homosexual lifestyle and other abnormal behaviors.  But we have to stick with what God thinks, God’s definition of marriage and family and only go by that.  Jesus when confronted on the subject of marriage and divorce said, “can’t you read?  in the beginning God created them male and female.”  That of course was my paraphrase, but nonetheless it is the basic concept that was conveyed.  We know that Adam and Eve were a natural pattern for Christ and the church.  At least, I know that.  We can see that God calls Jesus Christ the last Adam in the New Testament (1 Cor 15:45).  God connects Jesus to the pattern of Adam directly.  We can definitely see that Adam was a natural pattern of the spiritual Jesus.  Adam had one wife who was the body of Adam, Jesus has one wife who is the body of Christ.

Rom 5:14  Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam‘s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

What is the subject of this verse?  It is directly related to Adam, and God says Adam is a pattern of Jesus to come.  There are many other parallels and patterns that we could explore, but let’s continue with our subject and study can Jesus have children.

We know from Hollywood and a non-Christian author named Dan Brown that Satan has attempted to say that Jesus who was a man, had a sexual relationship with a woman on the earth and had children.  I often times wondered why it was important for Satan to try to plant these misdirected seeds in the minds of people on the earth.  Satan rarely does anything that does not have a purpose.  I believe it is an attempt to distract us from the truth.  True Christians will always reject that Jesus had a sexual relationship with a natural woman, but what else does the words of Dan Brown do to us?  They automatically cause you to reject any other new assertion that Jesus could be a spiritual father of a spiritual child.  The automatic conclusion would be, if we reject the physical child birth we must also reject a spiritual child birth. But here is the main difference, we reject the physical child birth, because it is not in the Bible.  So we should see if the spiritual child birth is in the Bible.

We can see so many verses that give widespread implication of the establishment of a new family of God if we look for them.  Here is a verse that speaks to us along these lines:

Gal 6:10  As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

Using logic again we can see this verse speaks of two divisions of people.  Those who believe and those who believe not.  Those who believe are a people in a new family or a new household of faith.  This word “household” literally means a close relative, those who are in the same family.  But this is not just any family this is His family, the family unit of Jesus Christ.  Those that have believed on Him.

So we have seen scriptures that indicate Jesus has established a new family of God and that this family is a new spiritual household with new family members.  So does Jesus Christ have children?  Here is another scripture that I found absolutely fascinating:

Isa 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

This verse is absolutely more proof and evidence that people read things and don’t see exactly what God says.   I’ve had this Bible verse printed in a bunch of my Christmas cards and I didn’t see it for a long time.  Did you see it?  What are we researching?  Are we not attempting to find verses that declare Jesus the second figure in the Godhead to be a father? Is not this verse about Jesus Christ?  Sure it is!  Jesus is the child that was born, and the son that was given.  Since it is currently the Christmas season, we can certainly see that Jesus, the Son of God is also being called a father.  This verse in Isaiah 9:6 calls Jesus Christ the “Everlasting Father“.  Do you understand the implications behind that short statement?  I doubt very seriously that you do.  Why does God need to put an adjective “everlasting” in front of the noun “father”?  The reason you do this is to differentiate one father from another father.  You see I thought God the Father was the Everlasting Father?  This is truly mind blowing information that is much deeper than I can fully cover in this lesson. But, I will give you one verse to consider in the discussion of why Jesus can be called the Everlasting Father and why the Father God the 1st in trinity did not use this title to describe Himself:

Rom 7:4  Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

We know from reading the context that this verse was written to “Those that KNOW the LAW”.  That is just God’s way of saying the Jewish people that were under the LAW of Moses and legally married to Him according Jeremiah 31:32.  Because natural Israel was in binding covenant with Him they would not be able to be joined into covenant with Jesus Christ without being called an adulterer.  But, since Jesus who was God made flesh died on a cross we learn from this verse that the naturally born Jewish people can now legally be “Married” (in a New Covenant) with the risen from the dead Jesus without being called an adulterer.  Wow, this is so important to understanding so much of the Bible that it would take a book to write everything that is being taught here.  The main point for this discussion is simply this is the reason why the risen Lord Jesus will be given the title “Everlasting Father”.

Did you know that you or I can not be legitimately called a father or a mother, unless we have children.  That is just a basic Bible fact.  So if we read in Isaiah 9:6 that God calls Jesus the “Everlasting Father” we can conclude that he must have at least one child.  However as we have been discussing there are two kinds of fathers in the Bible, one is a natural father and the other is a spiritual father.  A natural father is only someone that has sown natural sperm into a natural woman and she has conceived and has given birth to a natural child.  Then and only then is he is called a father.  Spiritually speaking a pastor, a priest or a bishop could be a spiritual father.  All of the apostles in the New Testament were considered spiritual fathers.  Paul was considered a spiritual father (1 Tim 1:2, 2 Tim 1:2).  In fact any Christian can sow spiritual seed (God’s Word) into the heart of a non-Christian and if they believe and Christ is conceived in them, then they also become a spiritual parent.    You see there are spiritual families in different designs and patterns in the Bible as well as natural families that are similar.  That means there are spiritual seeds that were sown into the hearts of men and women and they have believed and accepted Jesus as Lord.  The spiritual process follows a pattern of the natural process so that we can understand it.

CONCLUSION

So I have given you a lot of new information to think on.  I have given you direct and indirect scriptures that indicate Jesus Christ is a Son who has established a new family for God.  This family consists of Jesus the bridegroom, the Church his wife and some potential spiritual children.  You have to study the pattern of Adam and Eve and you have to put some pieces of the puzzle together so I know there are still some that don’t see what I’m saying.  Before I comclude let me quickly give you one more revelation from the Word of God.  Jesus called Himself the Son of God and the Son of Man.  The Hebrew word “Son” (and Jesus was a Hebrew) means “the builder of the family name”.  In other words Jesus said I am building a new family for God and for Adam.   Everytime Jesus said He was a Son, He implies that He will have children.  This basically leaves Satan and the other demons out of the new family established by Jesus and His bride.   I guess I’ll stop there in order not to overwhelm you with too much new information all at once.

I hope you realize how difficult it is to give you just a little bit and not cover a subject with adequate scriptural backing.  If what I write is just my opinion it is not worth a dime, but if it is God’s Word, then you cannot dismiss it or write it off, unless you are stupid.  All we have seen so far is the possibility that this child in Revelation 12 is a child of the church and Jesus, we have not really concluded who the child is, so please realize it will take more time for me to explain what God has taught me.  We will continue with the subject of the identity of the woman in Revelation 12 in my next blog.  I pray that you are thinking with your spiritual eyes open and that you can understand the Bible lessons being presented.  Thank You for taking the time to study the Word of God with me.

If you would like to continue reading this series, you can continue with Part 7.

About agapegeek

Using the Bible to understand the Bible! Advanced Bible study for mature Chrisitians who want to grow.

Posted on December 9, 2009, in Bible Study, Chapter 12, Revelation and tagged , , , , , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 3 Comments.

  1. Agama waouchu

    will it be the same if the woman is a person? what if the woman mentioned is a person?

    • The context and the description of the woman require a non-literal interpretation of the woman. The woman is clothed symbolically with stars and the sun. She is standing on the moon another symbol. She is at war with a dragon another symbol. Since these symbolic figurative reference point us to spiritual realities it makes no real logical sense to try to make the woman anything but another spiritual reference. I hope and pray that this will accepted by everyone. God Bless

  2. Kent and Deanna

    You’re doing a great job on this blog. Keep it up!

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